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If I were in the market to buy an MLB team I'm not sure I'd want this one anymore??

They might want to consider selling too, now that the Twins don't have a team anymore?

Well the Saints are in Toledo

They'll use it to make sure the decor in their offices are up to date.

Sometimes it's the environment.

I wonder what the Twins could get for Rocco? Could they get an actual lottery ticket for him. For that matter I wonder what kind of prospect capital Falvey would be worth. I think it would be great for Falvey to get a fresh start in a new different organization? Maybe back to Cleveland? The Royals could use his expertise?? Just a couple of thoughts. Ha ha

Maybe Roger can work with Kody a little bit and he can move into the bullpen?? Ha ha

If the Pohlads sold more quickly they wouldn't owe any of the salaries any more.

Shoot, the Padres could have had Duran for a lot cheaper apparently?

I'm hoping that the Twins can get the expiring contracts moved today since they aren't going to do anything this season anyway. I'd seriously question the Twins motives moving forward if they trade Ryan. At that point they might as well trade Pablo and Ober too because it will take 3 seasons to become relevant again if they break up their starting rotation. But hopefully they can get rid of the expiring contracts.

It's not the team control that necessarily makes them more valuable now. It's that certain teams like the Dodgers (Scott) and Phillies (Romero and the guy who got suspended for PED's) leave the back end of their bullpens a little bit in flux right now. Imagine Duran going to the Dodgers what that would do for their WS run this year? He's worth more because of that right now I believe. Once the off-season comes around those teams won't have big holes in their bullpens as they will have addressed them with free agency, injuries healing, etc.... But I never thought about Flavey being a lame duck administrator, which he could be if the Twins get new owners. That really does change things a little bit when you are talking about trading guys who could be around for the next 2 to 3 seasons. The guys who have contracts that are expiring well might as well trade those guys for something? I was all in on trading Duran and Jax, but now I'm leaning towards keeping them because of the possible Lame Duck status of Falvey?

I see all of the talk about Jeffers and Ryan. Seems to me that if they trade those two next season is also up in the air, because you are hoping that you can get a starting catcher to replace what Jeffers does and you are hoping that you can find or develop an ace for your staff, now we know the Twins will never buy an ace type of starting pitcher so you are hoping and praying that zebby or someone else in the system becomes that guy. Now on the other hand, they Twins have proven over and over again that they can develop and find bullpen guys to be legit lockdown dudes. So if they trade Duran and Jax yes that hurts the team this season, but with health and development the team could come back much stronger next season. But if you trade Ryan and Jeffers there is a possibility that they don't come back strong for 2 or 3 seasons and now we are talking about guys like Buxton not being helpful at an advanced age. So I think as long as the Twins have guys like Buck, Correa, Lewis as their core, I think they need to keep Ryan, Pablo, and Bailey as their top of the rotation and try to get everyone healthy. They can trade Duran and Jax and still figure out a way to build a strong bullpen. But trade Ryan and they are praying that someone on the current staff not named Pablo or Bailey, (because they were supposed to lock down two spots anyway regardless or what Ryan has done) can repeat what Ryan has done. To me that is a long shot. I don't think it's as long of a shot to build a bullpen around a strong staff of Pablo, Ryan, Bailey, SWR, Zebby, etc...... Also looking for a starting catcher equal to Jeffers is also a stretch. So just in my opinion, trade Duran, Jax, Columbie, Castro, Bader, France all of the support players along with the big ticket relief guys. But keep the core of Pablo, Ober, Ryan, Buck, Correa, Jeffers, Lewis as a group to build a team around next season. Again JMO

I don't follow the other teams systems. So I don't have any specific trade targets. I just know the Phillies have had some issues with their bullpen and Jax would solve some of those. So maybe they can pry away a couple of good prospects from them?

After watching Tanner Scott, I think the Twins could get the Dodgers to overpay for Duran. Especially if they shop Duran to the Padres too. I think the Phillies would give something decent for Jax.

Just have to play the games.

California Penal league?

My only problem with trading Ryan is who replaces him? Or who do you have to go out and get to replace him and what's the cost of something like that? That's why I'd trade expiring contracts. Paddack, Bader, Castro, etc.... then go and trade Duran and Jax. Shop them to the Dodgers, Padres, Phillies, etc.... Lots of teams need backend help for the playoffs stretch. Those main teams actually have a lot of questions in the back of their bullpens. The Twins already probably have guys that can replace Duran and Jax in guys like Varland, Stewart, etc..... I mean they just flat out drop guys like Megill and Henriquiz over the last couple of years. So they obviously can put together a nice bullpen when needed. So I think the big piece, if the Twins fall out of the race should be Duran and or Jax. Then I think Paddack could bring back something decent. I think Bader and Castro could bring back something decent at the lower levels. But if you pit the Dodger and Padres against each other for Duran I think you could pull something big. Relievers are very volatile, trade Duran and Jax now. You can replace them. Don't trade Ryan, very hard to replace him with all of the salary constraints.

I think Paddack could bring back some value as far as a low ranked prospect. I mean if a team like the Dbacks stay competitive, they've lost Corbin Burns and Eduardo Rodriguez is terrible, I could see Paddack going there and being their 5th starter. I would probably shop Duran and Jax. I know they have another year of control but that should make them that much more valuable. I mean I'd start pitting the Dodgers and the Padres and for that matter maybe the Giants and D Backs all against each other for Duran's services. I mean none of those teams really have lock down guys that a guy like Duran wouldn't immediately make them much better. I mean the Dodgers and Padres especially I could see them getting into a bidding war, could you imagine if the Twins could pull a young starting pitcher out of the Dodgers organization which would allow them to move Scott, Yates and Vesia into the 7th and 8th innings? Jax would be a consolation prize, Maybe even the Phillies and the Mets could bid against each other for Jax? The Phillies could actually use a closer, and maybe Jax could be that guy for them. The Mets, with Diaz would put Jax in the 7th and 8th inning role. The reason is shop those guys is because it always seems like relief pitchers are so volatile, they can be the best on the planet one year and completely disappear the next. Seems like the Twins have guys like Varland who throws 100 and Stewart and other guys that can get the job done. I mean they apparently have so much depth in the bullpen that they had no room for Megill who is closing out games for the brewers these days. I would also shop Castro, Bader and France. I think teams might give up low level guys for those guys, potentially. I mean Vasquez, if some team loses their backup catcher to injuries or something, then go ahead and move him but right now I don't see anyway to get rid of him. I'd keep the nucleus of Buck, Correa, Lopez, Ryan, Over and try to add around them for next season. They basically added nothing this off-season and it's showing. But I think they could really rebuild the organization this trade deadline. But I was also telling all of my Angel friends that they needed to trade Ohtani to the Braves, that was while he was still pitching and hitting bombs. I mean who knows what they could have gotten from the Braves and Ohtani would have put them over the top that season, I mean before he got hurt.

100%, but I think the big thing here is that they probably need to wait until closer to the deadline to see exactly where they are at. Still 4 games under .500 I think they have to sell. Have a big turn around between now and then, look to add. I don't think this administration has any problems selling when the time is right. But I do think what will irritate the fan base is if the Twins are actually in contention when the deadline gets here. Pretty sure these guys will basically do nothing, maybe they will find a lefty reliever no one has ever heard of but that is about it. At least that's my gut feeling.

Looks like father time is catching up to him. 2 years ago it looked like he did pretty well in Japan, then obviously the Mexican league is another step down from that. Now he is back in Japan and his ERA is in the 4's. Kinda looks like he'd get lit up in the MLB. I'd say his next step would be the independent leagues.

I really have no need to discuss Bauer, I mean why would a 4th place team be going after an aging veteran might as well bring up a young rookie to see what he can do for the future. Or if need be bring up our own aging veteran Dobnak to finish out a 4th place campaign. But the part of your response that really made me think a little bit was when you mentioned facilitating challenging questions about rough sex and sexual consent etc.... Then I thought to myself, we live in a global society with global news stories. I don't see a bunch of articles being written in Japan about Bauer and his sexual history. I wonder why the Japanese people and press isn't all over him about these issues? You know they know about them? I mean whether he pitches well or poorly they don't seem to be writing articles about his past accusations. Why is that? Are the Japanese people just that oblivious to how bad of a person Bauer is? Or maybe it's actually a 180° flip and maybe the Japanese people are just that much better than us? Maybe their press also has a button where they decided to quit beating a dead horse? Also please don't bring up the Kirby Puckett drama anymore. I don't want a younger generation to actually look into the stuff he did off the field away from baseball and then end up tearing down his statue which celebrated the things he did on the field.

I know when McPhail was in charge other teams were calling him to offer him a job in their organizations. In the movie Moneyball Boston called Billy Bean to offer him a job. Do you think anyone has called to offer Falvey a job?? I'm pretty sure good GM's get offered Jobs frequently. So that's not saying he's in the bottom 5, but pretty sure no one is trying to pry him and Rocco away from the Twins. You are correct the Pohlads have been terrible, especially the kids. But I don't really think Falvey has done a great job. He's just done a job and a lot of other executives out there could have done just as well as Falvey. So Falvey isn't terrible, but I don't believe he's been good either, had he someone would have taken him from the Twins organization.

Foul Territory (@foulterritoryshow) • Instagram reel WWW.INSTAGRAM.COM 497 likes, 11 comments - foulterritoryshow on June 21, 2025: "“The game is the same... Managers, don't make decisions anymore. Rocco is nothing more than a prop set up for a play. The only reason they'd fire Rocco is if he bucked management and did some things they didn't agree with. If they were to fire him they would just put another prop in there that will do the exact same thing Rocco is already doing.

San Diego always seems to be willing to part with quality prospects. I'd guess Alcantara goes to San Diego. The Twins just aren't willing to part with the prospects needed for Alcantara. And I'd guess that's ok in this instance. Alcantara could be good, but it may take him a year or so to get back to his full potential.

I think when you look at things like WAR and not actual numbers it can get skewed a little. I mean how many days did Ronald Acuna miss this year and what's his WAR projection during that time. Probably adds up to 6 of the Twins injured relief pitchers combined. But, it's really hard to play games missing 6 pitchers if you don't have viable replacements. 1 outfielder can be replaced albeit not at the same production, but 1 guy can be replaced more easily. So it really depends sometimes on 1 or 2 really really great players that are hurt, where with the Twins it seems like everyone is hurt a little bit here and there all of the time. So you'd think the Twins would be in the top 10 of most injury ravaged baseball teams, but if the Yankees lose Judge for the year they can still play baseball missing one guy, but his WAR would be an incredible loss.