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  1. chpettit19
    Less pissed than if somebody above us in the standings gets them...
  2. chpettit19
    Not an overly important thing by any means, but I disagree that this is a "classy move" by the orgs placing guys on waivers. It's 100% just a salary relief hope. The reason they put them on waivers now is that it significantly raises the likelihood that somebody claims them. This isn't the teams doing the players a solid by giving them a chance to get on a playoff roster, this is the teams increasing their odds of having their guys claimed. The Angels weren't going to waive them at the beginning of August because they just got a number of them and were trying to compete. Same with the Yankees. The deadline for playoff eligibility just created a sense of urgency for the other teams to put in claims now that these teams are out of contention. If the guys weren't playoff eligible you'd significantly lower the chances that they're claimed, and you get salary relief. The Angels don't care if Giolito gets on a playoff roster, they just care that he gets off their payroll. And that's why the made the moves yesterday instead of today.
  3. chpettit19
    If a few extra rest days in the middle of the month would help, and the team is maintaining a 5+ game lead in the division, sure, give him a couple extra days off here and there, but I'd want nothing to do with an IL stint or anything like that. A day a week off? Sure. Multiple days a week off? No. He needs to stay healthy, but he also needs to keep his timing. See what the standings look like after this Cleveland/Texas run and rest everyone a little extra through the end of the year. But make sure your top guys are still getting plenty of work as you head into the playoffs so their timing is as good as it can be at the plate.
  4. chpettit19
    While I agree both were atrocious base running blunders, Kepler's ball would've been a lineout with a runner on 2nd. That ball only landed because they were playing no doubles defense. With how close they were playing with guys on 2nd in extras that's not a hit. And definitely not one Solano scores on. No idea what Solano was doing on that play, though. Just a really weird, and awful, decision on his part.
  5. chpettit19
    When was he physically unable to run? My understanding is that it's always been about the amount of running his body could handle. Maybe I'm just understanding the messaging differently than you and some others? My understanding has always been that they wanted to maximize his ABs (pretty sure those exact words have been said by Falvey, Rocco, and Buxton) while keeping him in the lineup as much as possible for the entire season. That's always been the messaging I've been aware of since those are almost direct quotes from Buxton himself. Now "the entire season" is going to be less than 30 games before he's back (plus the playoffs). I think that changes things, but I recognize that others have interpreted the messaging differently, and have different opinions on his health in general.
  6. chpettit19
    I don't disagree that him as a DH only is not what they're paying him for. But a buyout isn't something that's going to happen. Far more likely he just retires if his body continues to fail him. They're not eating that deal.
  7. chpettit19
    But doesn't he move for balls he doesn't catch? Balls hit to right field or left lead to him accelerating quickly, stopping suddenly, etc. right? But I'm not even arguing offense is less work on any given day than defense. Simply arguing that offense alone is less work than offense and defense 100% of the time. Yes, running the bases can be a lot of wear and tear on his body. But running the bases then turning around and going to CF is even more wear and tear. It wasn't offense only or defense only debate. It was offense only or offense and defense. Him going 5 for 5 is X amount of wear and tear. But him going 5 for 5 and also playing defense is X amount plus Y amount. That is more. That's the entire argument I'm making. Just playing offense is less than playing offense and defense. That's why there's a difference between being capable of DHing and being capable of playing CF.
  8. chpettit19
    Oh, I've never argued the plan worked. Never really even said it was the best option. Just defended the idea that there's a real and very clear difference between being a DH and being a CF.
  9. chpettit19
    Again, it's not about him having different physical limitations right now it's about how long of a stretch you're trying to get him through. His body is likely in no better shape now than it was at any other point in the season. They are just worried about different things. They have a different goal now. Their plan failed. No doubt about it. He didn't perform well enough as a DH to have made him a useful player. But the goal when they were limiting him to DH was to maximize his ABs over the entire season while having him available for the stretch run and the playoffs. They've said this from the beginning. The team, Buxton, Correa, the trainers, everybody said it. They thought he'd be able to handle just DHing and keep his body from falling apart over 162 games. They were wrong. Plan went "horribly wrong" to steal the title of the article. Now they only care about 30ish games(will be less than that by the time he'd come back). It was a marathon, now it's a sprint. You have different strategies for a marathon than you do for a sprint.
  10. chpettit19
    I'd bet if he did he'd get the next day off. Byron has had 5 hits in a game 1 time in his MLB career, and 4 hits in a game 2 other times. There's a bit of a difference between him possibly having that game and knowing he's going to play 8 innings of defense (plus have to do all the running for that amazing offensive game), no? I mean the very simple equation to "why can he DH but not play CF" is Hitting<Hitting+Defense.
  11. chpettit19
    I can run 1 mile, but I can't run 2. Should I just not run at all or run my 1 mile?
  12. chpettit19
    Without knowing what the physical problems really are with his knees/hip (also not being a dr doesn't help me) it's hard to have a great opinion on what they "should" do with him the rest this year. I was just responding to the idea that if he wasn't able to do it at the start of the year he can't be ready now. They're 2 different scenarios with different criteria, to me. If treatment (surgery or whatever else they would do) and rest between now and next April means he'd have a real shot at being at least a 50% CFer next year I'd shut him down for the rest of this year. If he could play the rest of this year and then have that treatment and rest and the chances of him being at least a 50% CFer next year don't really change then I'd play him this year. If there's just no real hope that he's ever going to be at least a 50% CFer moving forward I'd play him this year. I don't expect the team to give us real info on his knees/hip. I don't need any real info on that. But that's the stuff I'd expect them to be looking at in terms of making these decisions. And I'd think Buxton himself is going to be asking those questions. What are the percent chances he can ever be the player he wants to be, and how does what he does the rest of this season change those chances? Get those answers and I'd think the decision is relatively obvious.
  13. chpettit19
    At the beginning, yes. But eventually they start doing more and more activity to get themselves ready to play. AKA "ramping up."
  14. chpettit19
    You don't see any difference in trying to get him through 162 games and trying to get him through 30? You wouldn't change your criteria for readiness based on 162 games vs 30 games? I would. But we don't all see things the same.
  15. chpettit19
    We agree there!
  16. chpettit19
    That's literally what I've said. They aren't going to play him if his hammy isn't healed. He's not starting a game tomorrow. He's continuing to receive treatment and work his activities up to the point where he's capable of playing in a game when his hammy is fully healed. You're the one suggesting they're going to be throwing him out there while his hammy is still hurt. They aren't going to play him in CF if his hamstring is still hurt. They aren't going to DH him if his hamstring is still hurt. It's a completely separate thing than the knee and hip stuff that have kept him out of CF this year. It has no bearing in what to do with him when he returns because he won't return until it's not a factor. We're taking over this thread and we clearly won't agree so I'm just going to stop the conversation right here.
  17. chpettit19
    His performance was terrible for a DH only and it absolutely hurt the team to keep hitting him in the heart of the order and clogging the DH spot for the kind of stats he was putting up. Maybe that's because he was hurting too much, maybe it was because he just couldn't adjust to the fulltime DH role (his explanation), or maybe he was just having a bad year (like Correa, unless you think he's hurt and should be shutdown, too?) If 3 weeks of treatment and rest allowed him to get to the point where he has a chance to play some part-time CF for a month+, yes I'd absolutely argue they should increase the physical toll on his body. Would playing CF part-time for a month jeopardize part of his 2024 season? If it would then I wouldn't argue they should increase the physical toll on his body. They don't have to try to get him through multiple months of games anymore so I think what they're willing to ask of him could/should change. If playing CF in May would've given him 2 months on the field and then he'd be done for the year I wouldn't have had that as my option A. But now getting 2 months out of him finishes the season so it would be my option A. Clearly you disagree. It happens.
  18. chpettit19
    His hamstring isn't going to be hurt anymore when he plays the field. This conversation is clearly not going to be productive. Literally every player in the history of professional sports "ramps up" while they're on the IL and start getting healthy. They do as much work as their body will allow them to do until they're fully healthy, then they go as hard as they can for a little while to get back in the flow of the game and take the field again at full health. The hamstring literally has no bearing on anything because they aren't going to play him anywhere, including as a DH, when he has an injured hamstring. What a wild argument.
  19. chpettit19
    I mean his current "ramping up" is some basic "baseball activities." Why bring up the hamstring? Is your belief that he's going to return while he still has a "bum hamstring?" This is exactly what every player does as they heal on the IL. Royce Lewis "ramped up" after his oblique. Jorge Polanco "ramped up" after his hammy. Brock Stewart is reportedly "ramping up" after his arm problems. Alex Kirilloff is hopefully "ramping up" after his shoulder. That's literally what happens with players on the IL. I'm not going to get into the "playing the outfield plus hitting is clearly the same thing as just hitting so it makes no sense that they didn't play him in the field" debate again. It's played out. You think it's all the same and extra activity doesn't mean anything, I don't. But can you see how trying to get him through 6-7 months of baseball games is different than trying to get him through 1-2 months of baseball games?
  20. chpettit19
    No, it doesn't seem odd to me. They're not trying to maximize him for 162 games now. They're trying to maximize him for 30. Their stated plan coming into the season was to start him at DH and build him up into playing the field depending on how his body reacted in order to maximize his games played and ABs, correct? Body apparently didn't react how they were hoping with the fulltime DH thing so the team, drs, Buxton, everybody apparently didn't think putting him in CF in April or May made sense because it'd more than likely take him out of the lineup for a massive chunk of the season. There's not a massive chunk of the season left to worry about. There's a month + playoffs (hopefully). The math has changed. I don't think we'll find many people who'd want to argue that the plan worked. Whether the plan was right or not is a different debate, and I'm sure we'd find many people on each side of that debate. But the plan didn't work out. But there's a very clear difference, to me at least, between trying to get him through 1-2 months and trying to get him through 6-7 months.
  21. chpettit19
    I gave a sad face because I actually wonder the same thing, and it's sad. Body just seems to be failing him.
  22. chpettit19
    So I can claim to be on the IL and pretend I'm still an athlete?
  23. chpettit19
    What are guys on the IL supposed to be doing if not ramping up to play?
  24. chpettit19
    Most recent data I saw was saying 30% is kind of the trigger line for an increase in risk. I'm definitely surprised they've let him go as freely as they have. Not that I think it's right or wrong, just that this org plays things incredibly carefully with most everyone else when it comes to injuries and playing time so I'm surprised to see them let him go so much.
  25. chpettit19
    We could stop waiting for them to ask and just show up?
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