laloesch
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I'm also excited to see more of Dobnak and Graterol. I wouldn't start Perez though. He's an automatic loss against a decent team and I rather take my chances with someone who has some gas on his fb and other weapons. Perez is a one trick pony and one dimensional which is why teams have figured him out again. Smeltzer is turning me into a believer and i think the reason he is successful so far is his diverse offering of pitches.
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At what point do the Twins put Gibson on the Injured list and just tell him he's done for the season? He's obviously not well. With Dobnak and Smeltzer starting decent games he's not needed now.
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I think it depends on who the Twins resign or trade for. If they don't bring anybody in to fill a slot Pineda's suspension becomes much more painful considering he was arguably the team's best starter the past month and a half.
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If it was up to me I think the most i would offer him is a one year deal and a team option. He needs to prove he's trustworthy and not about to fall apart based on his "choices" and what he puts into his body. I'm more inclined to move on due to the fact that he's put the team in such a difficult position at this point in the season. And what about the games he's suspended next season and the disruption to the rotation carrying on into 2020? Sometimes you just have to know when to call it quits.
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Agreed and i gladly eat crow. If they can pull off a series win against Cleveland that would be a BIG BIG Victory for this team.
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if Devin Smeltzer keeps pitching well I think he could factor in.
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Hopefully a second win happens today. Crossing fingers
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I don't think you understand what i'm saying. You are diving down into the proverbial rabbit hole pulling up the technicalities, procedures and sequence of events of past PED suspensions, which is fine but irrelevant to me considering my earlier posts never got into the comparison conversation other than to state that Pineda is not the only one to get caught for PED use. I don't doubt that testing, procedures, and how penalties are handed out by the commissioner have changed since Arod's suspension but again, that was never my point and never implied by my earlier posts. I'm not sure where you are going with this to be perfectly honest. My original message is simple and states that Pineda got caught for taking a banned substance (Diuretic) which IS NOT a diet pill and he got smacked with a suspension as a result, which IS 100% TRUE. He's also not alone in being suspended for something like this which was a response to Brock's post, nothing more nothing less. I'm more than happy to debate whether or not he knew what he was doing (I don't buy it, but that's my opinion and i'm entitled too it), but that changes nothing and at the end of the day the team won't benefit from his services after paying him 10 million dollars two years ago, while allowing him to rehab and work his way back this season. I don't know what else there is too say and i'm not gonna argue with you for the sake of just arguing, it's not productive and it's pointless in this discussion..
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I agree. The way this team is playing Cleveland easily sweeps and then it's a crap shoot as to whether or not they can squeak out enough wins against the White Sox, Royals and Tigers to beat out the Indians. Meanwhile the Rays and A's are right on the heels of the Twins from a win / loss perspective. I think this thing goes right down to the wire. They could very easily be on the outside looking in come Sept. 30th.
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There not gonna make it.
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Sure they are and the examples aren't that old. You can spin it all you want but the examples do exist and they are perfectly valid.
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I can think of three or four posts in this thread alone where people have said diurectics are diet pills but that's beside the point. The whole point of taking a diuretic is to kick your kidney's into overdrive and cleanse your system of whatever may be in it. Dehydration and over urination are simply side effects. Every diet pill i could find online had stimulants and laxactives, but no diuretics to speak, at least the legitimate ones. Ingredients like ephedra,ephedrine,pseudoephedrine, etc. So you are taking him at his word that he didn't know what he was taking and all of this was just to lose a few pounds keeping in mind that we are a month or two before the end of the season, he's 6'-7" and 270 pounts to start with, risking it all when he could make the post season for the first time in quite a while in his career? Yeah okay.
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my thoughts exactly
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I still think you throw out #3 because like i've said over and over again in this thread diuretics ARE NOT diet pills. Everyone knows that. They temporarily reduce the amount of water in one's body which anyone who works out seriously knows is the exact wrong thing to do if you are attempting to get into better shape. Dehydration is not advantageous in any scenario of weight loss unless your are trying to make weight for a wrestling match and even then it's definitely not good for you and makes you less competitive because you are dehydrated.
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Yes but the examples do exist.
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Alex Rodriguez got his suspension significantly reduced and so did Eliézer Alfonzo.
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Why? Are we supposed to take his word as gospel? For all we know the reduced suspension could have been on a technicality or some negotiation and not because of the sob story claiming ignorance. People lie all the time when caught and this is no different. He obviously was breaking the rules and tried to cover it up and got caught. Why should we believe him now? Maybe he is telling the truth, maybe not. I just find it hard to believe cheaters and liars but that's just me.
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It's not productive for a MLB player to do this at this point in the season. What's the end game? lose 3 or 4 or 10 pounds of water weight TEMPORARILY by dehydrating yourself with a diuretic just to march out to the mound in mid 90's Weather depending on where your location and feel like total crap? comeonnnn. Does anybody really buy that? The only reason to do this is to cover up something else your taking. Anyone that has sweated out before an anticipated drug test for a job knows what i'm talking about. There are literally hundreds of websites claiming to sell remedies that will cleanse your system in such a fashion.
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I mad at the guy for making such a stupid mistake when we needed him the most. I think a lot of us share that sentiment.
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He may have made a compelling case but it doesn't mean he wasn't trying to cover some other substance.
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I don't understand the commentary in this thread. Diuretics are not weight loss pills. Period. An athlete in the MLB, the NFL, NBA, NHL taking a diuretic is not trying to lose weight but trying to cover up something else they've been taking. Diuretics cause excessive urination and purging of fluids from ones system which no professional athlete in their right mind would subject their body too. This whole debate is phony baloney. The guy was likely cheating and taking something else. Diuretics are in fact quite dangerous and are typically taken by people with edema (excessive fluids) due to liver failure, kidney failure, congestive heart failure, etc.
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I agree. This front office has put itself behind the eight ball. I don't know what they are going to do next season, but they aren't signing any of those guys mentioned above.
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THANKYOU! Finally someone that knows some of the science behind the substance and is not twisting this and making excuses. That drug is designed to induce excessive urination hence the term diuretic. Diuretics are not diet pills. They are used to reduce fluids in patiences suffering from kidney disease, liver disease, heart failure, etc. The only reason an athlete would take such as substance is to cause excessive urination and cleanse the body of some other substance.
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I think the important distinction is that us (the fans) do not have a say in what the team does. I remember plenty of us fans being upset when Polanco "got popped" but again it's not our decision at the end of the day what the team does simple as that. For all we know the Twins may overlook this hick-up and sign him for 2020 but it doesn't change the fact that he screwed up royally and cost them dearly in their chances to win a world series title.
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I appreciate your insight on this and your professional experience but you are speculating. These players know the rules and they have agents, lawyers and teams of trainers adressing their health, nutrition, etc. He's no longer the poor kid from DR with zero resources or he's just plain dumb. He's now 30 years old and has made millions and millions of dollars as a professional athlete. He knew the rules, the risks, but got caught, simple as that. No sympathy from me.
