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So you would rather follow KC who has been horrid for 23 of the last 25 years? If that's you thing, great. I watch 120 games/year and I want to see a good product as often as possible. Anyone could shove all their chips in (gut the farm system) and create the best opportunity to win a WS theoretically or would we have a better shot at winning a WS by getting their often and getting hot at the right time.
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We know exactly what the payroll is so that's fact. I thought it went without saying that these are not audited financial statements. It's an unbiased source providing an estimate. The TV revenue is widely reported and I think the attendance records are pretty accurate. The only real assumption is the average ticket price which is also not hard to find. We are talking about a small percentage of the information that is not rather easily estimated. By firm did many far more complicated estimates with under a +/- 4% variance when audited against actual results. You are now just being petty because you don't want to acknowledge the information.
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I don't take hard positions without facts. Quite often when people make these proclamations here I wonder if the facts support the boldness of their conclusion/position so I gather the information needed to reach an informed conclusion. It has become harder and harder to find sources. Forbes provided this information ever year but the older information can no longer be accessed if you want to look back and compile the information for a number of years. I had a Statista account once upon a time. They produce revenue summaries every year and payroll can be found via several sources. Here is 2023. The Twins ranked 11th in Payroll as a percentage of revenue. I also have net profit for 2022 via Forbes. The Twins ranked 25th in net profit for 2022 according to Forbes..
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Sure would like to see your hissy fit backed up with supporting data. In other words, show us the Twins spend less per dollar of revenue than other teams. My bet is that you have never bothered to validate your opinion because if you had you would know this isn't true. Never ever has anyone here ever backed up this kind of irrational dribble with actual fact. It's also curious that we seem to readily accept that the vast majority of players are fighting for every dime. We accept that it's a business for them but we don't accept a business owner treating it like a business. Why the totally different response to players?
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I understand the direction of the Mahle comments. I only mentioned by position at the time because I got pounded for being against it. Supporters followed the logic that they were in 1st place. My position was I don't give a crap what place they were in. They were not a team worthy of investment and I think that was proven beyond a doubt. I remember the Buxton threads quite well. There were people lashing out at the FO saying these guys were completely out of touch and "not serious" if they did not offer Buxton $150M in guaranteed money just for starters. Obviously, this was far from a unanimous position but most people wanted to keep Buck and were happy with a $15M/year quarantee. With Correa, there were plenty of people who felt we should pony up even when it was 12 years. I was OK with it when they went to 6 years but there was still a very small minority that did not want to make the $200M investment. Right now they look pretty smart but I think there is a good chance that investment will look a lot better this year. There was even a little of the "I am out" as a Twins fan if they don't spend the money for these players.
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The majority was very adamant about signing Correa. The language was strong and the sentiment was that it had to be done or we were not an organization serious about winning. I think he will bounce back and I sure hope he does because his product at $33M AAV is a disaster for an organization with other $300M in revenue. If you look back on the Mahle discussions, I was very much opposed. He was not a true difference maker and more importantly that team was not worthy of that level of investment. We would be in much better shape now and for several years had the FO not opted to trade away future production for a team that had a bunch of injuries and simply was not very good. MLB network had Steer as the #10 rated LF and CES could end up to be an absolute beast not to mention they would both fit in on this team perfectly.
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There is an assumption here that spending in free agency is key to a modest revenue team winning a WS. History does not support that conclusion. There have been 4 teams with equal or less revenue compared to the twins to win the WS this century. (since 2000). I have roster summaries depicting method of acquisition for all of them except the 2003 Marlins. Free agent played a role but none of them were major expenditures. It was either guys somewhat outperforming their contact like Edison Volquez or more modest 2 year type deals. There is one team that really hit on free agents and that was the 2019 Nationals. They obviously had enough incremental revenue compared to the twins to pay for the 2 elite free agents that carried them but they are the closest thing to the twins in terms of revenue that achieved success through free agent spending. There is a persistent assumption that free agent spending is key to the Twins winning a WS but the last 25 years or more does not have a single example of elite free agents leading the way to a WS for a team like the Twins. The example below is the 15 Royals. The way I set this up is to determine the acquisition method for the teams top players by WAR. I use a break point of 1.3 WAR for RPs and 1.5 WAR for other dependent upon the team. TaP is traded for as prospect. This includes players that have made it to the MLB level but never produced the minimum WAR established in this criteria. The Royals only had one significant free agent in terms of performance and that was Edison Volquez who is far from the type of free agent being called for on TD. He was actually a player most here would not have wanted. He had not done much at all in the past 6 years.
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I think it would be great if the Pohlad's operated the team at break-even once a decade when the dollars had a good chance of putting us over the top. Should we consider this expectation in the context of understanding they lost the equivalent of 2 or 3 years profit in 2020 and I suspect they took a loss in 2021. Should we also take into account we can't sign an impact player for 1 year. It's a 5-10 year commitment. Would we expect the same from a player. Correa was not worth anywhere close to what he got paid last year and Buxton was worth nothing. Do you think they should kick in $25M between them so that we can have a better team this year. It's only one year.
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Major League Ready replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I basically with you more that taxpayers should not fund stadiums. So, let's say starting next year every team had to start paying $50M/year (rent or financing) or had to come up with $2B for a stadium. Do you understand the financial implications, specifically who would be paying the toll so to speak?- 108 replies
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My bad. I did not pay much attention to what you were saying about rank. It's a poor measure of a given year and a very good measure when averaged over a period of 5 or 10 or 15 years. In that context it will tell you how the twins spend relative to our teams. I would like to see that data for a 10 year period. In terms of their 23 spend. It's quite possible they had additional spending capacity and elected to put part of that windfall in their pocket. It's possible they spent all or part of the difference on a combination of infrastructure and personnel or some other investment in the team. IDK.
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IDK what every other team is doing. You are introducing a new measure (rank) now. That would be a good exercise but we don't have the data. The fact that they ranked a little higher in 23 would suggest they were stretching a little, would it not? I have seen others put up the data and the twins were consistent in terms of rank and spending on average. I was responding to many other posts that basically said that TV revenue was only reduced by $15-20M so why are the Twins reducing payroll by $30M. This is either an uniformed position or intentionally misleading if someone is aware of BAM. Revenue is going down by approximately $45-50M. That's it! I was objecting to the omission/misrepresentation. They gave a range of $125-140. If we take that at face value, it's in line with revenue. However, they are not going to just spend for the sake a spending if the right opportunities don't present themselves. BAM Payment
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Great dark horse candidate Doc. I hope they can get his velocity bumped up a couple MPH. I think that would be a pretty big deal with him. We have a few guys ascending from that AA level that will be interesting to watch this year.
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Major League Ready replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I agree, especially with the part that someone should have told Provus their plans were not ready for public reveal. That said, just because people presume someone is speaking for their company does not make that a reasonable presumption. We need to be reasonable and holding the Twins accountable for something a broadcaster said is not completely reasonable, especially given any reasonable person would not presume his intent was to mislead. I think the reasonable takeaway is that the twins were planning on ending blackouts, he was excited about it, and then the landscape changed.- 108 replies
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Bravo Peter. We have not seen this type of objectivity, nor have we seen details listed to support conclusions as you have done here.
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Do you understand they had a windfall of $30M last year? I am going to keep saying it as long as people keep ignoring. Not one person has acknowledged they had $30M windfall last year that they are not getting again. It astonishes me that people continue to pretend the BAM money did not lead to record spending. We are pretending the revenue loss is only associated with TV revenue. If you received a $30,000 bonus this year and opted to give your 3 children 10,000 each, what would you say if they insisted upon getting $10,000 this year and every year going forward?
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Major League Ready replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Of course, he is an employee. Do we hold the team responsible for statements from the grounds crew? He has no say in the decisions and has no standing as a member of the Twins management team. That aside, the premise he was lying is absurd. Lying implies intent. Are you really going to tell me you think he meant to mislead us? This thing has gotten really petty.- 108 replies
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That's not how I would interpret it. I think many people simply accept that spending will go down if revenue goes down. Anyone who has dealt with budgets in the real world have zero problem understanding this off-season. many more understand the only way a modest revenue team can be successful is through player development. I also was not talking about the people with the point of view described above. The people complaining about spending this year are not going to be OK with the team not filling holes with free agents. They would have a point. Free agency has a function. Taylor and Solano were important to the team last year. Vazquez was a smart and well-received addition. Like many free agents, he simply did not work out. Correa was not very good either but we seem to be OK with his failure because he cost a lot.- 108 replies
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I don't want to argue if they shouldn't care about profit. I am pointing out that you and the writers here just continue to ignore the BAM money as you did here again even though I asked about it specifically. Many people are not interested in an objective view as you just demonstrated. Let me try again. Why should the $30M BAM reduction be ignored? This kind of burying our heads in the sand BS is absurd. There are a whole lot of people here who are either uninformed or willing to misrepresent the facts.
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Major League Ready replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
You are absolutely right. Not only do I agree but I have suggested on more than one occasion that free agency is a last resort and far less important to roster development than drafting and/or trading for prospects. Yet, people go nuts while ignoring that training for Mahle produced zero and we would be a considerably better team today and for the next several years had they not invested in a team that was not in a position to contend. The money would be much more likely to have a lasting impact if it was spent on extending someone like Lewis.- 108 replies
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This is true only if none of these players are replaced by free agents. Do you think that's realistic? Do you think other posters here would be OK with no free agent additions in the next couple years?- 108 replies
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