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MLB is 48%...so... ...this is just completely wrong. As any laborer should. I don't care about the health of the company or the industry I work for after I leave them. That's entirely the interest of the owners. While having a big market checkbook makes the offseason way more interesting, I don't think any fan cheers for a financial ledger during the season. The current system, preventing players from leaving a franchise for 6 years, protects small market teams quite well, to the point there have only been modern dynasties built with home grown talent. Supplemented and sustained with free agents, sure, but parity is quite strong in MLB. The MLBPA will not go for that. Let's say, hypothetically, there was a deal struck where team control over a player was cut to 3 years in exchange for a Salary Cap. Do you think that helps a team like the Cheap Pohlad Twins?
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You should learn about minor league salaries then. That's the more appropriate comparison. Is that how your job works? You get 10% of your salary guaranteed and then everything else is performance based?
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Unless I'm mistaken, the Ishbias would instantly become as rich as the second richest owners in MLB. This is why this ownership is near best case scenario.
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I think you're mostly right. But also thinking like old baseball owners that MUST have at least 10-20 million in operating profit. I would expect payroll to instantly increase to $160-$180. And then eventually grow to or above $200 in times of team success. Plus, with the fan base on life support, I wouldn't be shocked to see the new owners in on a free agent like Vlad Jr next offseason, upwards of $500 million contracts. And notably, rebuilds being less frequent and lengthy. The Suns are expected to pay $189 million in luxury taxes, and Forbes estimates $15 million operating loss. These brothers aren't owning teams to squeeze out value.
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That's on baseball execs to figure out. WWE, obviously different beast but still relevant point of comparison, sold rights to 50 "games" a year for $500 million annually. People still watch TV, arguably more than ever, but the methods have changed. The money is still there, just need to market and sell the product in new ways. Yeah, I worded that poorly. I'm old enough to have hated Carl since '01 as well.
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I quite honestly would not be surprised to see payroll eventually hover around the tenth position with a year or two up near the fifth position if there's a good window of opportunity. That'd be $200 million in 2024 or even $240 million if the dude saw a chance. This obviously wouldn't happen overnight and doesn't mean the team will be better, but it means mistakes are easier to get past and more chances can be taken. Minnesota is not small market, no matter how frequently the Twins told their fans that.
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No. This is basically best case scenario.
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Don't know the guy. Sounds cool though. If you can't afford to, or don't want to, pay for the luxury entertainment product then don't consume it. Then the market will correct itself. Easy as that. The workers are not to blame for terrible management.
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If the owners do that, they deserve the fate that comes to their team. Quit acting like it's the workers fault that the product is expensive. You aren't part of the ruling class, quit simping for them.
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You'll be shocked to learn very few players play for their childhood favorite team and it's never an issue.
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Agreed mostly. The large uproar amongst the fans against the Pohalds wasn't really overwhelming until they "right sized" their business right when modest investment would have paid huge dividends, showing their true colors. No one should really try to spend like the NY or LA franchises. Everyone's mostly aware and OK with the market discrepancies existent in the world. But as long as the owner WANTS to win and is willing to invest in it, it's evident to the fans. That being said, these guys could try to spend like the big boys and honestly isn't a terrible business venture, trying to build a Midwest dynasty to turn a 1.5 B asset into the Cardinals (currently 2.5 B). There's real investment opportunity there if you actually build a winner.
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Their firm is out of Chicago. I'm guessing they're there more than Phoenix.
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His brother adds another 10B to the ownership group.
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Report : Justin Ishbia exploring bid for Twins
NYCTK replied to Rigby's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
Both brothers worth about 15 B. That'd make them one of THE richest ownership groups in the league. He went into the Suns and tried to buy wins. That's way harder to do in the NBA, so this could be great for the Twins. But he also seems very hands on. Which doesn't always work out.- 1 reply
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You're the only one refusing to do the analysis to the question only you yourself is asking. Do it yourself and stfu about everyone else being uninformed already.
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You sound like an Elon reply guy. Go ahead and compile it. It doesn't actually matter because it will end with some stupid loser conclusion like "actually the Pohalds have forgone other risk free investments with an annual return of 8.8% in favor of their investments in the twins which have only yielded a return of 8.6% (ignoring annual operating income)" or something equally stupid.
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No it's not. European soccer leagues are the least fair leagues in history and they're also very healthy. Like I said, I'm all for increasing some revenue sharing and taxing excessive payrolls. But hell no to a salary cap. And the MLBPA is in agreement.
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Not even the Pohlads care this much about people criticizing them for being cheap a$$holes. Are you on their payroll? Like I said, you're welcome to do a whole writeup about how virtuous and good the Pohlads are for the on field product if you'd like. Until then, I and everyone else will continue to point out the Pohlads are cheap a$$holes.
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I'm right there with you. I will probably come back once they sell. But my entire fandom right now is that if a bystander critic. I will not support this club financially in any respect. The front office has made it clear winning is not important. Here's hoping the sale happens soon and the organization can redirect to compete in 2026. They have decent pieces, it wouldn't be too hard to do.
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He also got severely hurt rounding second on opening day. I'm done hoping on him. He should be viewed like Buxton. Hope for 350 PAs but don't expect it.
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Always remember the 2024 Twins period of successes were a mirage, buoyed by a 13-1 record against the worst team in MLB history. They were ALWAYS a mediocre team and that was entirely evident by early July. Just became painfully obvious in September.
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Hard no to a salary cap. Increase revenue sharing. Hell, even sharing 100% of media contracts seems arguably beneficial. Increase luxury taxes, sure why not? But salary caps do nothing but help the billionaires. Restricting the earning power of the labor is never something I'll support. Even if we're talking about millionaires.
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This entire offseason is an exercise of futility. A tentative front office tinkering with a mediocre (at best) roster in hopes everyone outperforms expectations and they can somehow squeek into a wild card spot to placate an understandably dwindling fan base. Last trade deadline is emblematic of this organization. Directionless. No idea what they should do or how to improve their team in the current day or future.
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If we're being completely honest, the Twins didn't really compete in that series. They lost both games at home, scoring only 3 runs. And that was only the division series. I'm really bored of fans propping up that the Twins won what equates to a play-in series more than an actual playoff series. Woo hoo, they won two games at home against another mediocre team. Congratulations. The Twins have only once in the last 33 years competed in the LCS. The Timberwolves are one of the worst franchises in all of professional sports history and even they have contended more than that. Being a contender requires more than just winning a bad division.
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Are you suggesting billionaires care only about capital and not their communities? How dare you!
