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Mark Canha was a 1.2 WAR player last year for the Mets, with a 2024 team option at a fair price and the Mets paying his remaining salary and he returned a non-prospect AA starter. There really is no market for Margot, like at all. Tommy Pham was a 1.2 WAR player for the Mets at the deadline and with the Mets paying half his remaining salary he returned a 16 year old unknown SS in the Dominican league. There simply isn't a market for someone like Margot.
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Quality being the operative word here. Don't know that applies to Margot... We got Luplow off waivers last year and he wasn't any worse, on paper, than Margot right now. He ultimately didn't end up producing against lefties for us, but his career OPS against LHP was actually a full 60 points higher than Margot. Farmer, maybe...
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Before the weekend, he had a rolling 100 PA stretch where the K rate was 25% or so. The last 4 games have again cranked that rolling average back up to 30% unfortunately. I agree, I would like to see him show that another two weeks and then he can get another crack at it post-ASB.
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Any bullpen arm we'd get in exchange for Margot is no better than Jackson and we'd just be taking a flyer on talent and hoping our staff can straighten them out. Much like the Floro trade last year.
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You 100% did though. And it's ok. We all do from time to time. I'm just saying you're wrong to do so, while still agreeing with your conclusion. You started with the assumption and the cherry picked data confirmed your idea, even if you started with a faulty assumption that Louisville's staff is horrendous and his success against them should be discounted. What other reason do we have to assume you're removing his success against Louisville? He's like Bruce Wayne and his fear of Bats manifests itself as a strength, but only against that one team? That's a more reasonable theory than calling a league average staff horrendous if we're being honest...
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Which is a credit to Wallner, not a strike against him (although he knows plenty about having strikes against him amirite boys!).
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No one's trading for a corner outfielder with a sub 100 OPS+ that plays mediocre defense. Everyone, including the Twins, have someone in AAA that can produce at his level.
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You started with an assumption, and it wasn't true. Louisville isn't a horrendous staff. Simple as that.
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We'll agree to disagree then, but what's the harm in trying? A) If Jax actually wants to do it, allowing him to try helps build the relationship with the player B) If he succeeds, he could be Seth Lugo, a good #2 or #3 starter C) If he fails, we can throw him back into the bullpen and he's still Griffin Jax There's only upside and no visible downside to it unless you're concerned about injury. I don't know if there's any evidence of increased injury risk from someone going to bullpen to starting in the offseason.
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I don't know how high of value a bat only prospect with a sub 850 OPS can be...
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HRs and Ks against Toledo aren't any less or more important than Louisville. If you're parsing data to a granular level in order to support your conclusion, you're cherry picking. And when that starts with the idea that Louisville are some pitiful staff, which is why we should discount the results, it should at least be true. And it simply isn't. Again, I think your conclusion is valid, but let's not pretend as if HRs against Louisville don't matter.
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There are plenty. And the reason is straight forward. A mediocre starting pitcher is still way more valuable than a set up man. The twins are quite fortunate SWR has worked out as well as he has. There was no indication he was going to come up and be a decent starter and if it failed we'd have a massive hole.
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I largely agree with you, but you are absolutely cherry picking. The Louisville Bats aren't even close to the worst pitching staff in AAA so why are you removing his production there? Because you're cherry picking to match your preconceived conclusion. I agree, let's let him stay there for a bit longer but let's not be a hater.
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This is all just next level cherry picking. You've decided he's not ready, which is fine, but are trying so hard to discount his successes. The Louisville Bats aren't some Colorado Rockies pitching staff in the IL. They're in fact right in the middle of the pack in basically every statistic. If they were any where near as pitiful as you'd said we should see them bottom of the league in K rate (14/20), HR rate (7/20), RA (8/20), etc. I am with you, that I don't know know that I believe he's actually made improvements, but you gotta show some level of optimism my dude. Don't just default to being a hater.
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There are a lot of examples of it working extremely well just in the last couple seasons. And not just elite stuff guys like Hicks, but from non-dominant relievers too, like Seth Lugo. If he wants to give it a go the Twins should 100% encourage him to stretch out and worst case scenario, we're one year from today and he's sitting on a 5.50 ERA and they decide to throw him back in the pen. There's obviously no way they would ever consider doing this right now in the middle of the season.
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Fair about Wallner, but I'm really excited to see he's cut down his K rate by 10 points. Makes me optimistic that he can come back up and basically be the guy he was last year.
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You can see splits under minor league game logs. Large splits in favor of RHP in 23 and 24 but not in larger samples in 22 or 21.- 77 replies
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Because of the Mets payroll, their QO compensation if he walks is only a 4th round pick, right? I honestly don't think it would take a whole lot to get Pete. Gonzalez and one other lottery ticket. If you told me we could get a half season of Alonso for trading Jorge Polanco, I'd be ecstatic so I'm in.
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Matt was bad but his contract was nothing. Carlos Santana is arguably a worse signing. I wouldn't argue it, but someone could.
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Look to Pete. There's no way the Twins want to add 23 million for Vlad Jr to next year's budget.
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He's been pretty bad from my eye test. Not a butcher, but his defense opened the flood gates in a tie game against Seattle.
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This makes sense if we had a DH option we had to get ABs. But Vazquez at C and Jeffers at DH is as valuable as Jeffers at C and Kiriloff at DH. If not more.
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