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Yeah, but it’s impossible the Twins as a franchise lost so much money year over year to be $500M in the hole. The Twins out of all their assets and businesses is simply the one that didn’t lose money and allowed them to shift the debt burden on to. There’s no way they were willing to sign Correa if the Twins as a franchise were losing money. It’s all they’re other poor investments and businesses that lost money not the Twins. If you were the Pohlads in the economy of the last 5 years where do you think you could get investors to invest? A commercial real estate market that is likely to collapse any year now or an MLB franchise that grows no matter what year over year and there’s only 30 of them? If I had $250M to invest I’d take the sure thing. Idk about you. The debt isn’t a Twins franchise problem it’s a Pohlad business problem. It’s impossible the Twins franchise lost half a billion dollars. They weren’t the Marlins the last 5 years.
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It had better be by 2027 and 2028 at the latest. If not then Falvey failed this attempt and has or will be fired. If it takes till 2030 to see anything you just wasted this crop of prospects. Your star building block in Walker Jenkins will be 26 and a year away from FA if you didn’t sign him. Culpepper will be pushing 30 along with Houston, ERod, Rojas, Abel, Prielipp. Luke Keaschall will be entering his FA season. 2030 will be when they try to cash all these guys in for new prospects and probably blowing the whole thing up again. It’s 2028 or bust.
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But what makes you more money? Reducing payroll or being a continual competitor in the postseason? Why do you always hear the phrase “We want to create a year to year contender”? Because a year to year contender makes you way more money, although not guaranteed, than simply collecting a revenue sharing check. Each year you might get $60M as a revenue receiver. But if you create a continual contender and you bring in not only that but all the merchandise and gate revenue it only makes sense to be a contender rather than a bottom dweller. From a mid market to small market perspective.
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Exactly! They have always chosen a fall apart. A full on rebuild gets you back in 3-4,5 years. They always choose the fall apart that takes 5-6,7 years and a team that’s 1-2 pieces away. 1-2 high end prospects you would have got by trading away 1-2 stars for 6 prospects. This is either a fall apart slowly or a restock. But with the prospects they’ve got already Falvey is looking to semi compete this year and be back by ‘27. His job depends on that. Especially with new minority owners wanting to see the ROI.
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I would agree with you in some cases but history often tells you more than logic itself. Name one time in Pohlad ownership history where they completely gutted a team over the course of a year in a Astros, Baltimore, Cubs style full rebuild. That’s not what they do even though that makes logical sense in order to build a strong core. Would it make logical sense to trade pieces at the deadline to acquire higher upside lower minors players if going into a full rebuild or to target higher minors higher floor and lower ceiling guys? The writing is on the wall and I his is not a full scale rebuild. As long as Falvey is in the chair that doesn’t happen. This is his chance to try and turn it around and if he doesn’t that’s when he gets fired and full rebuild mode happens. Logic tells one thing and history and motive says another. Also, if not Derek Shelton than who?
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This is pure speculation. Everyone is just assuming. In the same article Falvey was quoted as hoping to be able to add to the team. So in that are we going to assume that they’re going to sign Kyle Tucker? Maybe Bo Bichette? While we’re at it let’s trade for Ohtani too! I mean, if we’re speculating why don’t we go both ways? Why does it always have to be negative?
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Every team drafts 5 shortstops, 5 center fielders and a million starting pitchers every year. Makes you wonder how all the other positions are filled……..lol!
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Exactly! If this front office starts making Terry Ryan moves why not just bring Terry Ryan back out of retirement. At least we know what we’re in for then instead of playing this guessing game all winter.
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When the front office clearly signaled that this is not a rebuild and simply a retool by going out and targeting higher minors players as opposed to higher ceiling low minors players why would you suggest two 18 year old low minors guys? You may not agree with the trades or the direction but the FO has shown you what direction it’s headed. Therefore any proposal that doesn’t start with Eldridge is a phone hang up right away. Next call please.
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Everyone can name the big guys. Can you name the other guys who contributed? He had good players of course. They won the division how many times? You don’t do that without good players but you need other guys to compete to the best of their abilities as well right? So who would you have wanted instead of Gardy? Who would you have wanted other than Baldelli? Who did you want other than Shelton? Would your guy have brought them further in the playoffs than these guys? Doubt it. As far as a culture guy and a guy who pushed his teams to the most their ability could give I don’t believe you can name any other Twins manager other than Gardy and TK. For all the bellyaching about Baldelli and crying about how baseball isn’t fair because of the Yankees and dodgers and …. And …. Y’all can’t even get on the same page for anything. Can’t even acknowledge that the Twins have had good managers. Y’all living in a video game and not in reality.
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Do we still not know the new ownerships groups?
TNtwins85 commented on Doc Munson's blog entry in Fantasy GM
From what I understand yes. It will be official at the owners meetings if they are approved which I imagine they will be. -
Do we still not know the new ownerships groups?
TNtwins85 commented on Doc Munson's blog entry in Fantasy GM
The Quarterly owners meetings are Nov. 18-20. I imagine we’ll find out more then. Until then I think it’s all in waiting to be approved. Even then it will probably be some vague information and we may not ever know the percentages. -
@Alex Boxwellgreat article! Totally agree! Although I didn’t play as high of levels as you I would echo your talking points. Even in high level D2 baseball 20 years ago the Head coach is not working individually with players. Also, coaches were not working individually with players all that much but more group work and philosophy. For instance developing change ups at that level. We would get instruction as a pitching group and we would be expected to work on it individually. Mechanics were just starting to be implemented and we would have a video day where we were shown different mechanics and how to utilize them and what key positions and movements were. Never was there a coach personally instructing on where and how to move but we needed to find what worked individually to unlock our best movements in a throwing program. The point is even at that level 20 years ago a head coach or manager was merely doing just that. Managing the overall structure of a 35 player roster and the talking head pulling the strings of a game in the dugout. That was D2 20 years ago so I can imagine what a ML organization is like. I would guess that’s why players get payed so much more. Why? Because they are in control of their careers. Yet people seem to think managers and coaches are so much more involved than they really are for some reason. Derek Shelton will be as good as the roster he’s given and how he influences that roster.
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Unless you were in the room or you personally know from ownership and Falvey this doesn’t signal anything. Why? Because you just like the rest of us don’t know. This is pure speculation just like everything else. Will they spend their way to competitiveness? No. Will they unload everyone and have a bottom line payroll? Probably not. It will be some middle of the road “stay competitive” walk down the line to keep fan interest from cratering with a few moves to shake things up. Will they lose 100 games? Probably not. Will they win 90 games? Probably not. It will be another “milk toast” season where we see some young guys and some terrible and good play at times. Why? Cause they are the Twins.
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*What were you told about the direction of this team and this franchise going forward and what questions did you ask about the direction of this team and franchise going forward? Honestly. Cause all Twins fans would love to know.
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What was Gardy known for? Continually getting the most out of some very dismal rosters that Terry Ryan gave him. Tell me I’m wrong. Hence, if Toby is anything like his dad it’s what the Twins need. “Baseball players”. The Twins don’t have very many “baseball players”. Guys that have all around talents and combine those talents to win games. In order to win you need to build a baseball team out of baseball players. Despite his playoff record every year he continually got the most out of what he was given. Something that got Baldelli and how many other coaches over the years fired. Now explain to me “What!?!?!?” Is wrong with what I said.
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How Low Could the Minnesota Twins' Payroll Go?
TNtwins85 replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Honestly, I skimmed it. As I’ve seen this horse beaten to death for so long it’s engraved in my mind at this point. Twins payroll, Pohlads, Falvey, 40% of the roster, Baldelli, salary cap, salary floor, Pohlads, Falvey, stupid, cheap, 40% of the roster, Pablo, Ryan, Buxton, Jeffers, trade, Falvey Pohlads, salary cap, salary floor……- 63 replies
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How Low Could the Minnesota Twins' Payroll Go?
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I did all the math. Pondered the equations and after long thought I came up with this genius answer. The Pohlads and MLB could agree to contract the team. In which case it would be $0. There, I answered every “the sky is falling” Twins fans question. What’s the prize?- 63 replies
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The Twins and the Illusion of Hope in a Rebuild
TNtwins85 replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Not a rebuild until they trade Pablo and Buxton. Until then I’m not gonna think this is even remotely close to a rebuild. They traded 4 relievers and all but one to be free agents. They were never gonna resign any of those guys and they got rid of relievers for starters and position players. They didn’t trade for all A ball guys either. Not a rebuild. The Twins fans “sky is falling” nature is getting overblown. When a guy like Walker Jenkins is in AAA a rebuild is not in the books. The prospect cupboards are not bare and last time I checked they’ve still got a bunch of really good players. I believe a rebuild when everyone over 27 is gone.- 61 replies
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I would love for Toby to be in the coaching staff! If he’s even anything like his dad he’s exactly the type of coach this team needs.
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I would love it to be either Rowson or Flaherty. I like both as they are outside hires with proven teams. Rowson has connections but he’s been with a few other teams since his stay in Minnesota. My question is why not have 2? Either of Flaherty or Rowson but have Shelton or Servais as bench coach. Haven’t heard their names floated around and they’re good baseball guys. My guess is that Rowson gets the job. At that point maybe ask Shelton or Servais to be bench coach. Hell, I’d even be up for having Punto as a bench coach as well. Really build it out and create a culture with the guys on the coaching staff. Get Falvey and Zoll out of there and let the coaches coach.
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I believe you are mostly right on this. Everyone points to logic that if the Twins trade Ryan or Lopez then why not tear it all down. That makes sense but for one fact. Pohlads still own this team and the Twins have never done a full tear down. Even when it would’ve benefited them in terms of competitiveness faster. Why? Marketability. The 90’s and 2010’s teams were slowly torn down and kept players that would have fetched prospect hauls. Instead Pohlad owned teams held on to stars through their declining years in order to still keep a couple faces and hold a death grip on what was. Why, to hold some semblance of what was to put fans in the stands even when the team wasn’t competitive. Puckett, Hrbek, Harper, Knoblauch(until he requested a trade) and Tapani and Erickson of the 90’s. Held on to for way too long. Didn’t maximize what they could have got back. Mauer, Morneau, Willingham, Span, Revere, Diamond and Perkins. All held onto too long when a total tear down would have accelerated the rebuild. Teams that did total tear downs? Astros( we all know how that went) and the Cubs (rebuilt fast and won it in ‘16) meanwhile the Twins prolonged they’re rebuild only to flounder ‘19-‘23 and here we are. Astros dynasty is closing and the cubs are just coming out of their 2nd retool. Why? Cause a Pohlad owned team will never just blow it up when they probably should.
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No team wanting and trading for Ryan is gonna want to part with legitimate major league talent. The Twins only maximize his value by getting 2 near ready guys and a few lotto ticket prospects. Unless the Orioles are willing to part with Rutschman, Mayo and a lotto ticket and the Twins add in SWR or another back end SP I don’t see how a “baseball” trade works out. I’m not sure they see Basallo as a full time catcher. Maybe the Twins go all out and do Pablo and Ryan to the Orioles. Then I’m asking for Rutschman, Mayo, Bradfield Jr. and Forret as the ML/near ML guys with Aracena and Morfe as the 2 lower level lotto tickets. Rutschman has 3 more years of control. Mayo is a beast and just needs to hit ML pitching. A high ceiling low floor guy. The rest are solid prospects. I don’t see any other teams offering ML for ML trades but the Orioles are like the Twins and might wanna shake things up.
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Add in to that that they are not gonna sign a 30 yo SP to a long term deal. If you trade him now you most likely get 2 guys that contribute this year. That supplants Ryan’s value this year and out of the hopefully 3-4 guys you get supplants Ryan’s value the next 6 years. Gives you a better chance to compete in ‘27 then Ryan does in ‘26 and ‘27. He was good this year but not Cy Young good. The bar is 4.5 WAR. Or 11 WAR over his career to this point. If you take emotion out of the equation a Ryan trade just makes sense.
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