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  1. TwinsDr2021
    Is there? I haven't ever seen anybody post examples of pitchers being pulled similiar to what the Twins have done but maybe I have missed that I don't read everything on here. Sure I have seen the lazy stat that pitching staff don't average 6 innings or X amount of pitchers average X amount of innings without context on how stretched out they are or if they were terrible in a few games thus bringing their average start down. And it isn't bad watching a guy dominant for 5 great innings that isn't the problem, it is that he is being pulled and not allowed to dominant for 6 or possibly more. Being a former pitcher and seeing a pitcher that is pitching that well being pulled and turning the game over to the unknown isn't great to me, but to each their own.
  2. TwinsDr2021
    Well I guess I am looking at different box scores than the rest of people, because I am not seeing starters that aren't terrible, rain delay, injury or relief pitchers starting that aren't going 80 - 100+ plus pitches be it any inning amount, some 5, 6, 7, 8, The Red Sox on Sunday did pull Connor Seasbold after 4 innings and 74 pitches (3 major league game and second this year) It would be interesting if somebody (namely baseball reference or something) took out all the rain delay, relief pitchers starts, and injuries and figured out what the average start was by month. So we could quit using the lazy stat that no team averages 6 innings a start.
  3. TwinsDr2021
    ? I would also add that fans complaining about fans complaining because "the entire league is doing it" without backing that up with examples is the same possibly as "aren't well thought out, informed, accurate, and relevant "? NO?
  4. TwinsDr2021
    I am asking you to show examples (which should be easy since the entire league has been doing it for years) I understand it does happen and it for sure happens early in the season quite a bit before the starters are stretched out. But I would argue by looking at the box scores the last month or so, teams aren't pulling starters with that low of pitch count that early in the game, unless they pitcher is terrible or a rain delay. The starting pitchers that the managers don't trust to pitch 80 plus innings are being inserted after a starter goes an inning or two and then pulled to give the fireballers in the pen the last inning or two.
  5. TwinsDr2021
    You are correct, I typed a zero instead of an eight, and I missed the run in the 10th was unearned, I forgot the ghost runner doesn't count as earned. I would argue if Bundy can't be trusted to throw more than 5 unless it is a blow out one way or another(which he has at least 4 other times) a better philosophy would been for Jax to start and throw his two innings and then bring Bundy in, but whatever. It is terrible baseball to watch a starter dominating a lineup for 5 innings (58 pitches, 6 K's, 1 BB, and 3 hits) and being pulled and the bullpen blowing the lead within 2 innings, but that is just my opinion. I do find it laughable that if the offense save the team the philosophy works, but if the offense don't save the team it is on them. I also find it funny that a week ago bringing in Pagen was a terrible call, but bringing him in today was the right call.
  6. TwinsDr2021
    You always say that, but was there another team that pulled its starter after 58 pitchers, in just 5 innings yesterday, recently? There wasn't any yesterday or Sunday, people could claim the Rays and Boston did something similiar yesterday, but both went with a starter and let the second pitcher go 5 inning and 82 and 93 pitches. Also, just because others "are doing it" does that mean that fans can't complain about it? Maybe the Twins told Bundy no matter what today the most innings you are going is 5, we need to get some work from Jax, Duffey, and Pagan; seems like kind of a weird plan and one that is almost conceding the game or the next days game, Which is confusing since the three previous starters went 6,5,7, but at least it would be a plan.
  7. TwinsDr2021
    Did it work last night? the first pitcher that came in blew the lead, and the Twins won because of a 4 run tenth. The Starter's ERA was 1.00 and the Bullpen's ERA was 3.60. Sure they won the game, but was it in spite of the bullpen usage or because of the bullpen usage, we will never know.
  8. TwinsDr2021
    I wasn't saying the Rays wouldn't be managing Archers innings like the Twins are, I was saying they would be doing it differently. I am sick hearing about the Covid year, all the teams had to deal with it and pitchers that missed the year are pitching innings in the majors and minors;the problem with the Twins isn't so much about the Covid year, it is all their pitching prospects always getting hurt. Sure the Twins are managing their staff, but are they doing it well is the question on just about every thread.
  9. TwinsDr2021
    I would hope nobody thinks the STAFF should average 6 innings. Having a pitcher or two is not out of the question. Shane Mcclanahan of Tampa averages almost 6 1/3. (and he just turned 25) Corey Kluber has went at least 6 innings in 7 of his last 11 games. (He also plays for Tampa) Drew Rasmussen has pitched 5 or more innings every start he hasn't been terrible. (another Tampa starter) The Rays let good starting pitchers pitch (To a point they don't run up pitch counts over 100 very often, but Mcclanahan for example never really gives them less than 90 pitches) , The odds are they wouldn't treat Archer like the Twins do, they would probably use a starter for 1 or 2 innings and Bring in Archer for 3 - 7/8. That is the thing, that is misleading about this article and the thoughts people have on Tampa, it isn't so much a team philosophy on how pitching SHOULD be done, it is their flexibility and adapting to what they have that makes them good. If you gave Tampa the starters the Dodgers do people really think they would pitch them different than the dodgers do, heck no. The Twins on the other hand IMO don't seem all that flexible,
  10. TwinsDr2021
    For his career Alcala has blown 5 of 17 hold/save opportunities and has pitched 2 1/3 innings this year, so lets hold off on the "Twins bullpen would take on a remarkably different view" until he proves he is worthy of it, which probably won't be until close to the end of this month at the earliest. I hope he comes back dominant but that is all it is as of now, hope. Ober has averaged less than 5 innings a start in his 27 starts, so thinking he will come back and do something he really hasn't ever done is asking a lot, he seems like the perfect guy to piggy back Archer's starts. Maeda is a complete unknown as of now and in likely hood won't be asked to pitch many innings this year whenever he comes back. I think they could all be good or better, but lets be realistic about how the Twins handle pitchers.
  11. TwinsDr2021
    The Twins are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. The starting pitching has been a little too good for this to work (Except Archer it has been perfect for him) and the relief pitching hasn't been good enough for it to work. The guys that it would be perfect for Duran, Jax, Smeltzer, Winder have been too good and moved to other roles, or not good Sands, Cotton, Cano, or injured. Also IMO this doesn't work when you actually have too many starters, you can't limit Gray and Ryan innings for example, when you are limiting their starts by having a 6 or 7 man rotation. Also you can't plan the 6-9 innings to be perfect, and sometimes that seems to be what the manager is looking for. On a side note this strategy is not a good game to watch and could possibly eliminate starting pitchers from the HOF. (Which I believe is already happening by limiting the amount of innings pitched, and thus bringing pitchers Wins down)
  12. TwinsDr2021
    He will be 25 in a couple of weeks, I see him as a bullpen guy at best moving forward. I was hoping he would come out on fire this year and force his way to MPLS, he does still have some time but he needs to get it figured out in a hurry.
  13. TwinsDr2021
    The Twins traded a minor league prospect for a player that was or should have helped the team for three years, I will NEVER complain about a trade like that. Don't care Maeda got hurt, it was the right thing to do.
  14. TwinsDr2021
    are people really not happy with the return or are they unhappy of the progress of the two? At the time it was two top 100 prospects which is great. Lots of people thought Martin could be the opening day left fielder and some thought SWR could be in MPLS this summer, now I thought both of those things weren't possible, mostly based on the 40 man. If Berrios was doing great this would like a slam dunk for Toronto, but with they way he has pitched and the extension he signed it looks good for MN regardless of how well the prospects have done so far. I expect Berrios to turn it around at some point and I think Martin is going to be more of a Gordon than a starter and SWR should at minimum see some time in the bullpen. So at this point I still grade this as a positive for the Twins.
  15. TwinsDr2021
    No starting pitching? 3.20, 3.14, 2.86, 2.17, 3.06, 4.71, 4.03 that is the ERA of the Twins starting pitchers. If you mean no starters that pitch more innings, then sadly you/we are going to be disappointed by all the Twins starters, the teams philosophy is the reason the innings pitched is less than we like, not the lack of talent of the pitchers. If people think the next group (Winder, Ober, Canterino, Balazovic, Sands, and Varland ) is going to pitch longer in games, you are crazy. Or even if they trade for a Montas type that they will come in and throw 7/8 innings and 100 pitches a game, it isn't happening.
  16. TwinsDr2021
    Just one more year, unless of course the pitchers are injured again or not good enough, then just two or three more years?
  17. TwinsDr2021
    They didn't they could compete? and they traded a top prospect and former first round pick, and signed a SS to a 35 million dollar a year contract. I find it hard to believe they didn't believe they had a chance. I believe they traded Rogers because they weren't planning on signing him and though Pagen would be a decent replacement and got Paddack. Nobody thinks they should trade away the farm for a whole new pitching staff, well if they do they are wrong. But trading for relief pitchers don't cost the farm, unless it is somebody like Bedard with all the controllable years. They need to trade for a relief pitcher that fits at the end of the pen with Duran and pushes Pagan and Duffy down, and they need to trade for a relief pitcher that can pitch a couple of innings, similar to Jax. Then hope Alcara comes back and also fit in as a late inning guy.
  18. TwinsDr2021
    I like Gallen, I love his controllable years, don't like he isn't super efficient with his pitches, he runs his pitch count up to the 90's and 100's while only pitching 5 or 6 innings. So I don't see him as real upgrade to the starting pitcher staff, specifically if you have to give Winder up as well. I have three pitchers in the Twins organization that I would say are off limits, Ryan, WInder and Duran. Ober is close but I feel more comfortable trading him then the others. Go talk to Baltimore about Lopez and Tate and 2 and 3 years of control, offer Cavaco, Henriquez and Sands, and maybe another flyer on a guy in the low minors. Based on the simulator it is close.
  19. TwinsDr2021
    Maeda is an unrestricted free agent after next year as is Gray. As of right now next year's rotation is Gray, Ryan and Smelter. Bundy has a million dollar buyout or a 11 million dollar salary. Archer has a mutual 750k buyout or 10 million dollar salary. Ober hasn't pitched in two months and has few weeks of rehab before pitching with the Twins again. He should come back and do well but as of today can you plan on it? Winder has 29.1 major league innings and should improve going forward but again as of today can you really plan on it? Maeda is still coming back from injury and has to prove he still has it and is healthy. Paddock, I am not even sure when he is due back. And as far as I can tell no minor league pitcher (at this point) has really done enough to be called soon and establish himself as a legit starter for next year. With that said I don't think now is the time to extend Gray, unless he saying he wants a year or two extension or he will be demanding a trade or something along those lines, plus the Twins need to figure out if Ober and Winder are legit major league starters that won't spend most of the year(s) on the DL. Now the other side of the argument could be if you could lock Gray up for 3 years at a reasonable price, Ober or Winder and a prospect or 2/3 could be used to bring in a starter with some control for another team.
  20. TwinsDr2021
    Sure that might be the BS they are giving, but that doesn't explain, pulling him in the 4th after 61 pitches, or 67 pitches, or 70 and 57 after 5.
  21. TwinsDr2021
    IMO pitch count isn't what is keeping Archer from pitching more innings, it is the Twins limiting his exposure. For example all this month he has had a farily low pitch count in every game and was still being taken out. He pitched 76 pitches on 4/19 and only three times has exceeded that, and multiple times was quite a bit lower than that and taken out in the 4th or 5th inning.
  22. TwinsDr2021
    Kind of confused why the Twins would trade for a guy with a higher ERA and WHIP then any of its current starting pitchers. I agree with @nicksaviking I think starting pitcher's innings are more of a organizational philosophy then a problem with the pitchers. Taking Bundy out the other night wasn't because he can't pitch more than 60 pitchers (he has proved he can) it was the Twins way.
  23. TwinsDr2021
    Isn't he kind of the perfect guy to start a playoff game? In the playoffs the starter goes less than they in in the regular season so he is kind of set up for that.
  24. TwinsDr2021
    Wow, major league teams grossly underpay their coaches, it is no surprise he walked away from the Twins, and I have no hard feelings, if somebody offered to double my salary offer more time to be with family and travel less, umm yes please. There was no reason he should have had to given the Twins a chance to match, if they were willing to double his salary but only after he was given a job, they should have upped his salary before he went looking for a another job.
  25. TwinsDr2021
    Archer has been a glorified long relief pitcher and for the innings he has been asked to throw he has done his job well. The term Iron Man shouldn't be thrown around when talking about any pitcher on the Twins staff (at least not yet) because they aren't asked to be that.
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