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Based on the MLB trade simulator, that isn't enough to for Montas (37) to 30.50 with Martin, 29.2 with Kirlloff. To mee that seems high on the Twins side, not really worried all that much with Steer, Canterino and Varland, but giving up one of the other two turns me off.

My point is that not all other teams are doing what you say, Bullpen games bring down the average length of a start. Are the Twins running out bullpen games? no? so shouldn't the Twins starters average be higher than teams that have and do this? I mean if everybody is doing what the Twins are doing? I pointed out that yes some teams with some pitchers do what the Twins are doing. What the Twins have done with Archer and Smeltzer (just two examples)is way less common than you and others on here suggest. If everybody is doing it how many pitchers on night would you expect? Last night the Tigers pulled Faedo after 5 and 82 pitches, Eovalid was pulled after 5 with 84 and Detmers 4.1 after 85, Kluber went 5 with 80 pitches (3 runs), those are the only ones that are close, Now that is two days in a row that I have went though every boxscore and not seeing it. It should be simple to prove other teams are doing it, besides looking at the average start across the league that does include bullpen games and terrible starts ( I am sure the Mets for example had plans for Bassitt to pitch more than 3.1 innings, but he got rocked, thus bring average down, but not by choice.

My point was why would a rebuilding team want Kepler? He is 29 with over 20 million due for the next 2 plus years, I don't think team looking to rebuild are looking for that type of player.

Anybody but Duffey, but prior to last night this guy has pitched in 5 games, three against Detroit and two against KC, not sure that taken for anything more than what it is.

you are correct he doesn't deserve the blame for the last 13 games, or injuries, terrible bullpen or the way the game is being played. But to be fair most people criticizing him have been doing it fall longer than this recent skid. Some have been doing it since his first year, and others have picked up on it prior to this skid. Others have liked him since the beginning and still do, that is what is great about sports talk everybody has an opinion.

True, but if you take out bullpen games and games were starters are terrible, that goes up, no? Is the reason the Twins aren't averaging 5 innings per start this year, because of bullpen games?

Not sure what you are trying to say is true. Cole hasn't pitched less than 6 innings since he third game or less than 91 pitches since his 3rd start, and 3 of those 8 starts 7 innings or more. Cortes has went at least 7 in 4 of his last 5 and the other was at 100 pitches after 5. They did ramp him up a bit but only once pitched less than 82 pitches. Taillon has went at least 7 in three of his last 4 and the one he didn't wasn't great. They did ramp him up for a few starts but only 3 times less than 82 pitches. Severino who has pitched 7 games since 2018 ( I guess the Yanks haven't gotten the Covid memo), has pitched at least 7 in 2 of the last 4 and the other two went at least 6. Only twice has he pitched less than 83 pitches. Montgomery has pitched at least 6 in 3 of his last 4, he does seem like the one guy that might be considered similar to what the Twins are doing, Most of his starts are in the 80 pitch count, but 5 of his 11 starts have been 6 plus innings, and 4 others over 5. Are there teams pulling starters after the 4th or earlier, sure there but to say that is how every team uses pitchers is absolutely not a true statement. Just in yesterday's games, maybe you could say Oakland did it. Cincy pulled a guy doing great (6 innings, 3 hits, no walks) in a 9 - 0 game, and that turned in a 14 - 8. The Dodgers pull White after 5 innings of 2 hit no walk ball and 69 pitches, and the next two pitchers each gave up 2 in an inning total. They lost 4 - 0. The Brewers also pulled a starter after 5 with 79 pitches, they lost as well (Hader's 1st blown save). Otherwise ever starting pitcher went to around 100 (maybe more) or 6 plus innings, unless they were terrible. You can go back every day and things look similar at least since pitchers have been stretched out, so are there teams pulling guys early, yes absolutely but not at the pace some people on here are saying it is happening. People talk about the Rays, there last 6 games from their starter - 6, 1.2(6 runs), 7, 6, 3, 6 ,6

It seems like the are treating the minor league pitchers like they do in the majors, couple of times though the lineup with a pretty low pitch count, Seems like they are setting up the pitchers to get injured, 100% effect for a short period. This is my opinion IMO this is the type of player you fast track though the minors, He is already 24.

Why is a 24 year pitcher mowing players down to the tune of a 1.99 era averaging less than 5 innings a start and still in high A?

I would add a pipeline requires you to trade for other teams prospects, no team can draft its way to a pipe line. Look at the current Twins as an example.

I agree, what I have learned is this FO isn't going to sign a top pitcher long term, they will sign top hitters for the short term to fill holes. They seem content with bringing up prospects, signing reclamation projects and trading for pitchers (Odo, Maeda, Gray, Paddock). I can't see them adding a pitcher with multiple years of control this year. Since next year they will have Ryan, Gray, Ober, Maeda, Winder, Smeltzer, and hopefully Sands, Dobnack, Balazovic, Canternio....

Kepler seems like a guy you trade to a team competing that needs an outfielder for a prospect, Celestino seems like a guy you trade to a team rebuilding for a major league relief/starting pitcher. IMO

Looks like the Rays might be looking at a fine? They don't have to forfeit the game, they already lost.

Your 1st paragraph is super legit, What does the pride patch mean to the Rays (is it virtue signaling or a real openness), did they explain? The statement the players made seems to say they don't agree with the life style (which I think is a condescending thing to say) but love and care about them, kind of contradicting IMO. Your second paragraph, I was just pointing out a person on the field was protesting the 2nd amendment and nobody seems to care. As for the Rays, they didn't have to let them play and MLB shouldn't have if they broke the rules, that seems simple. Your 3rd paragraph, I understand freedom of religion and speech, it was pretty straightforward in the past, but now not so much with what companies are forced to do with muslims for example. To be clear I am not saying this is bad or good, just pointing out that companies and schools have been forced to change some stuff up.

Is there a difference in supporting their rights and not believing in their life style? I don't know the answer, or if that is even possible. The statement they released seems to think they can. I am guessing the Rays have done this for a while and maybe were caught off guard that players would be willing to go this far, doesn't surprise me that much every thing from small things to large things are being used to divide the country, and maybe they believe this was a place to take a stand on their Religion, or maybe if was plan to get a head of the possible Roe V Wade hoping the Rays wouldn't take a outspoken stance on that knowing how it might affect the players.

Is there a religion against the Military? I think fans can wear or not wear basically any hat, right? Not 100% sure you are correct about the national anthem.

Does it really? I mean the next thing you know a manage might protest over the 2nd amendment? Are there religions that allow you to play with black players but not wear a batch honoring a pioneer of baseball? Or are their religions that don't believe in ALS or the treatments to cure it? I do believe there will be players that might refuse to wear a sponsor's patch and teams are going to have figure out how to deal with that. I imagine if Chick-fil-A is a sponsor there may be many players that say, thanks but no thanks for example.

hmm, seems like it might be bit controversial since not everybody has the same opinion on the matter, which isn't odd because this is basically a political topic. I am not religious and would have no problem putting the flag on, but I also think the statement made by the player was thought out and well spoken (even if I disagree with it).

ON the MLB trade simulator, Laureano is 60.7, and Montas is 37. Kepler is 30.5, Sands is 1.6, Wallner 3, SWR 5.4, Lewis 33.2. So based on this the A's would would laugh and hang up on the twins with an offer like this and why would the A's want a 29 year old fielder. As of right now if I was the twins I won't trade for either pitcher.

agree, his comment was moronic. Unlike the Pagan's comment that seems well thought out and informational (if if you don't like or agree with it)

If they haven't done it in a year and half, what makes you think they would do it for 3 games in early June? If you were somebody that hadn't gotten the shot and then watched a quarter of your team that has the shot get Covid, would you run out and get it or take your chances again (Kepler had Covid once before for example) As for the games, losing Kepler could hurt, but the others guys, seems much to about nothing. And the Twins IMO took advantage of Canadian rule, but being able to start a guy they couldn't have before, plus maybe the relief pitchers can stay back and work on getting better.

Not to be a jerk (and I am vaccinated) but isn't that the most common, long-term effect of getting Covid, not dying?

? but it is worse then lame it is lazy and sad considering how many vaccinated Twins have gotten COVID. So congrats Stu at bad humor and breaking the rules of the site.

Basically the last 4 guys in the lineup were fairly easy outs. This is the lineup quite a few people were asking for in the offseason (or very, very close)

He is 3rd on the team in innings and has an ERA of 4.19 (The exact same as Ober last year and just above Ryan, without of the upside of course) so I think liability is a bit harsh, but I think they way the Twins have handle his starts is up for much discussion, but that could said just about all the starters. They seem to have a plan if the pitcher is decent but not bad or good.