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So picking up a guys for 10.5 million option to trade him two months later for a relief pitcher and two minors is a good strategy for building a team's future, while hurting the current years team? That is an interesting philosophy.
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That is changing the argument completely, the Twins never said the reason to cut payroll was because they needed money to sign draft picks next year or to replenish the minors. The twins traded Polanco and his 10.5 for Topa, DeSclafani, and Santana, which with my math those three make exactly 10.5. I would have preferred not picking up Polanco and using 10.5 on others players, or kept Polanco and maybe trading him this year for prospects and possibly health. IMO the FO thought they could sign Polanco and Farmer and trade Polanco for better than they got, and when they couldn't took the best deal they could get, and looking at the deal all by it self, wasn't a bad deal, but when that is all they could get it left them signing Santana and without a starting pitcher they imagined they could get.
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It looks worse because the FO looks foolish picking up the 10.5 option and swapping it for what they got, keeping Farmer and bringing in Santana. IMO there were better ways to construct the roster for the same or possibly less money. I didn't say they couldn't trade Polanco, but others have said they had only one trade partner in Seattle, and was forced to take on DeSclafani. I don't look at this trade all by it self, I look at it as a whole.
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Zero dollars if don't pick up Polanco's option, would have 1 million but didn't meet plate appearances. Pick up Polanco's option and trade him for prospects - total cost whatever minor league players make Pick up Polanco's option and trade him for a pitcher making 1.25 and another pitcher making 4 (since the other team covered the other 4) and two prospects - Total cost 5.25 plus the 2 minor league salaries. That is not creative math that is facts! Did the payroll go down because of this transaction, NO, it went up 5.25 million. Did the Twins add a starter with this transaction, NO, Did the Twins add to the bullpen, yes. Does the 4 million they are paying hinder their payroll, that is what we have been told. In another time (like any year where the team isn't crying about payroll) this was a good trade to make, trade a guy making money and get prospects, win/win, use that money to fill holes if needed. But that isn't the world we are living in this year. You can think it is a smart to use 4 million of this years salary to stock the minors, I don't not coming off of the year the Twins had last year.
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This take makes the FO look even worse (yet I believe you are correct) for picking up the 10.5 option for Polanco, I can't imagine that conversation between the FO and owner went, here is the plan, I know were suppose to cut payroll but to cut payroll and make the team better we are going to pick up this 10.5 million option, but wait we are going to trade that money for two prospects, a relief pitcher and a starter that has had a injury plagued year and a 50/50 chance of being good and bring back 5.25 million in salary. And the owners reply was, so you aren't actually cutting salary but raising it 5 million for a relief pitcher and pitcher that is 50/50 on playing, so that relief pitcher is in the back end of the pen? Well, possibly maybe but he actually slots below, Duran, Jax, Stewart and depending on match up after Okert, but for sure he should pitch higher on the list than the 36 year old guy we brought in for more money.
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It isn't ridiculous to pay that for prospects and a very good strategy, it is ridiculous to claim you are broke then pick up a 10.5 million option and spend 5.25 on a relief pitcher for the year and two minor league players. That is my point and what I have been trying to say thru out the thread. If you do this scenario and sign a starter (even somebody like Dakota Hudson) and don't leave a division winning team short on starter depth, I would be all for it. Trading for a relief pitcher, two prospects, a wild card starter and signing another starter all for less than Polanco's salary is a great move.
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topa is making 1.25, and the twins are paying a total of 5.25, so yes it was 4 million for those two prospects.
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For a team cutting payroll after last season, spending 4 million on a prospect or two is ridiculous, leaving the current team short.
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On the trade front this FO has been IMO a pretty good (or better) (Odo, Maeda, Ryan, Lopez, Duran), sure they have missed on a few but that is how baseball trades work. On the developing side of starting pitching they only have Ober to show and fingers crossed Varland which isn't great or really even very good.
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They didn't need Topa at that time (now would be nice, but he is on the DL), and with a healthy Duran, Jax, Stewart, Thielbar and Okert he wasn't going to get the chances like he did in Seattle. Plus the 40 man is loaded with relief pitchers, Sands, Jackson, Funderburk, Duarte, Alcala, Staumont, Weiss, Winder. So maybe yes the could win the trade much further down the line, but again it goes back further than this trade it goes back to the decision to pick up Polanco's 10.5 option.
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He didn't need to be moved, the Twins had a 10.5 club option, they could have let him go and saved 10.5 million. Instead got a relief pitcher and a prospect and flyer for 5.25 million.
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yes, I forgot the 4 they go back, still IMO would have been better not to even pick up Polanco's option, seemed like they gambled he would be worth more than they got and hey lost that gamble. Maybe in the long run it was worth it to pay 5.25 million for Gonzalez, but don't tell me you have to cut payroll when you are paying a premium price for a prospect after coming off of last year.
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is this a true statement or you assuming? If so it makes it even worse they picked up his 10.5 million club option. It really means they paid 9 million for two prospects, one good and the other just a flyer. They could have not picked it up and paid Paxton 7 million (not much more than then they are paying now) or signed Chris Flexen or Dakota Hudson for under 2 million. Looking at the whole picture it is a terrible deal!
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Not buying it, then they should have traded Polanco straight up for Gonzalez, and used the 5.25 million they are paying for Topa and DeSclafani for a cheaper starter.
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So the Twins traded Polanco for a relief pitcher, a prospect and payroll deduction and the guy they thought would be a throw in 5th starter that cost 4 million shouldn't shouldn't be looked at as trading for another hurt pitcher? The trade makes zero sense if they aren't getting a guy they think can be the 5th starter and taking on half the salary they traded away. Wouldn't the been better off trading Polanco for 3 minor league players (regardless of their rankings) and signing a Hudson, Ross, Flexen, Turnbull for what they are paying Topa and not pay the 4 million for DeSclafani?
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Last year was Ober, Varland, De Leon, Dobnak, SWR, Sanchez, and they had to go get Keuchel because after Varland it really was terrible. This year it is Dobnak, SWR, Festa and prospects, and this year at any level is better, I am not buying it. Remember last year the starters were pretty healthy and the Twins started 43 games from depth in 22 they started around 60 from depth.
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What makes the Twins depth superior? The idea that Larnach, Miranda are really the players at their absolute best and not the players they have been? Sure they have Lee (unproven and most on here say isn't even ready) to back up 3B, SS, 2B and then who? for 1B it is Miranda and then who? in the outfield it is Larnach and then Martin. Yes the bench is good but if they move to starters then IMO not so much. As for starting pitching untested Festa (who I do like, but don't like the idea he has to step in and be good from the start) and a bunch of guys that haven't been good.
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I really like the 26 man, and Duran, Theilbar coming back is a plus, I am super worried about the depth almost everywhere. Lets stay healthy and win 95 games.
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How long have they been here and how many starters have been developed? Ober and the verdict is still out on Varland, and nobody else, that by my definition is can't develop pitching.
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Is this Duran's first injury?
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I get that but really what you are saying is you want the younger more inexperienced guys pitching in the bigs to give the older (26) more experienced guy less innings. IMO you give you best pitchers the most innings, with Paddack I get limiting him coming off injury.
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why are you limiting Varland? He is 26 and has pitched 103, 152, and 149 the last three years? Shouldn't be expected where he is pitching he goes 150+ again?
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Lopez and Gray, Odorizzi, Maeda, Ryan
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Should We Be Encouraged by José Miranda's Spring?
TwinsDr2021 replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
spring training 23 - .325/.400/.825 = 1.225 OPS in 40 at bats he hit 5 doubles and 5 homers, with only 3 K's. In the last home spring training game in 23 (3/27) (which was also his last spring training game) he played 3B for 6 innings, went 3/4, was declared healthy enough to be the Twins starting 3B for the season. I don't buy that it was his only his injury that caused the horrible 23 season and for me he has quite a bit to prove. -
Based on this info (which I didn't know), there is no to reason Lee should be called up prior to the last 30/40 games this year (and the whole 40 man thing), but absolutely should be called up on the last 30/40 games to give the Twins of view if they think it is possible for him to win the ROY.
