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  1. TheLeviathan
    Well...some. We had a sizable contingent saying anything less than 150M was a slap in the face and he'd get at least 25M AAV. This deal says a lot about Buck wanting to be here. It also says a lot about what his agents thought would be available in FA.
  2. TheLeviathan
    Yes...baseball has other challenges. The contract issues could be mitigated by a cap and floor. Which is all I suggested. No magic cure, tanking is here to stay, just mitigate. NFL has tanking too. Just less nonsense because there arent 200M payroll differences between teams.
  3. TheLeviathan
    Um....no. Perfect parity isn't the goal. The NFL works because good (or bad) management is the largest determining factor. Teams rise and fall moreso on the basis of their choices than league structures. That's the best that can be hoped for. Teams still tank in the NFL too, but the issue is better mitigated there.
  4. TheLeviathan
    No league can fix perpetual mismanagement through their system. Nor can they (or should they) limit success if you draft a GOAT in the 5th round.
  5. TheLeviathan
    Teams are definitely trying to lose. As long as there are structures in place to help teams with poor talent improve their state (and there has to be) there will be incentive to lose. Too many leagues try too many things to eliminate this behavior in mostly gimmicky, ineffective ways. The only thing you can do is have a salary cap and a salary floor and hope for parity. That's the NFL model and it works.
  6. TheLeviathan
    I think this needs to get pointed out more often. Those that want to sign Buxton to the contract numbers floating around (to which I am included, I put mine at 7 years, 119M)....it's simply not fair to anyone in these discussions to frame 80M as "cut rate" or "lowball". Given Byron's injury history it really isn't that far off. We're talking a couple million a year, not half what he wants. The Twins need to stop tip-toeing around contract negotiations looking to get big wins and meet players at the table without all of the "Death by a thousand cuts" negotiating. It may have been a factor for Berrios, it may be a factor now with Buck. But it needs to be repeated.....80 million dollars guaranteed for a guy with his track record is not an insult. Clearly it favors one side, but it's in the ballpark of discussions. In fact, Buxton's side has acknowledged this through the media in back channels. Now the Twins just need to put on the big boy pants and finish the contract.
  7. TheLeviathan
    I would more politely agree that the FA prices here are too low. Stroman is at least 5M short, probably more. Gray is 5M short. I think Baez is 5M short. That puts this closer to 155M, which should still be in the realm of possibility IMO.
  8. TheLeviathan
    There is no one giving Buxton 30M. He might get between 20-25M on a one year deal with options, but that's it. Baseball does not hand out big contracts - term or AAV - to guys with this many red flags. An extension should have a base around 16-18M with incentives that can reach 25M.
  9. TheLeviathan
    Worrying about Colorado players is not unreasonable. However, Gray has a history that ranges from Average Pitcher to Stone Cold Bad Ass Pitcher. He is a bit erratic on that spectrum, but I don't see a single starter on the FA list with as much potential to make his contract look like a steal as he does.
  10. TheLeviathan
    Jon Gray is not a "back end" starter by any rational use of that term. If someone of Gray's quality (and moderate upside) isn't good enough to be appealing I don't know what you think is reasonably possible to do.
  11. TheLeviathan
    None, I think they'll have to eat about 7M for the next two years. That's still 18M a year to play with though. And yeah, if they Terry Ryan that money away it will be a terrible move.
  12. TheLeviathan
    The Twins didn't have a ready to go 3B at the time IMO with Sano moving to 1B. Right now we have Miranda or Arraez as options, so to me the situation is a bit different.
  13. TheLeviathan
    Donaldson has several ready replacements. The Twins have bigger needs 50M could be spent on IMO.
  14. TheLeviathan
    The ChiSox were known spin doctors. New rules maybe a factor?
  15. TheLeviathan
    The Braves so valued Rosario they waited until the absolute last minute of the deadline playing a game of "are you going to DFA him" chicken and only blinked when the price was 87 year old salary dump Pablo Sandoval.
  16. TheLeviathan
    Agreed, they get credit for a genuine effort. However, these moves weren't YOLO bombs on 3rd and 20......they were crafty 5 yard screens that busted for 70 yards. Or, in the case of Soler, a 2 yard draw play that he housed for 85. These were low risk, low odds of serious upside that all went absolutely bonkers. Good for them that they took those shots, but the odds of acquiring four guys who ranged from "future contract in Japan" to "He's alright I guess" and turn that into a couple of playoff MVPs and a .900 OPS is just crazy. I get the sense people have that they want teams not to give in. Totally get it. But some posters here bang on their soap box about "go for it" and "be aggressive" and I don't think they're being honest with themselves if they evaluate these moves (as they were in late July) as anything remotely like that. These were Terry Ryan type deals.
  17. TheLeviathan
    Their trades were all nibbles. They traded fringe prospects and players for low end trade commodities. Not a single sane human would call those moves splashy. Soler was a negative WAR player with an OPS in Simmons territory. Rosario was acquired for the corpse of Pablo Sandoval. Adam Duvall was a perfectly league average player. They acquired experienced players other teams were dumping. That's it. They worked and in hindsight were brilliant. Not "all in" or "going for it" or any other aggressive terms. "Not giving up" is not the same as pressing the gas pedal.
  18. TheLeviathan
    Let's be frank: On this board if the Twins were in the position of Atlanta and we came away with a bunch of fringe trades (at the time) like Rosario, Soler, etc. there would've been a lot of complaints. Atlanta didn't "go for it" in the sense we use that term. They didn't make any huge, splashy additions or roster shaking moves. They nibbled around the edge of the trade market and got their team depth. Then they rode a few hot hands (Rosario, Ian Anderson, their bullpen) and won the small sample . I don't think this is a blueprint as much as yet another example that there isn't one way to do this, the best teams don't always win, and just try to give your team a good shot with depth and a fighting chance.
  19. TheLeviathan
    I would seriously consider tuning the Twins out for an entire year if Andrelton Simmons is our plan in 2021. I want absolutely no part in that. If a defensive placeholder is all you want than sign Galvis. But I prefer we swing big. Whomever it is, even if they are an all field/no hit shortstop....it just can't be Simmons again. I can't watch another year of disgusting at-bats.
  20. TheLeviathan
    I endorse this for the same reasons @chpettit19 did - this is an offseason to be bold, not complacent. I don't love non-tendering Rogers or the OF defense this team would have, but I appreciate going the bold direction. This team needs to be aggressive as hell at shortstop, reliever, and starting pitching. And if they move Donaldson and another couple chunks of change they have more than enough money to do them all. This plan, and mine which has many similarities, demonstrate just how aggressive that could be. It'd be fun to see.
  21. TheLeviathan
    Really good player. Shop him and trade him if you can get a good pitcher.
  22. TheLeviathan
    I don't see any scenario where the Marlins say yes to deal Alcantara for those players. You won't get an ace for spare parts.
  23. TheLeviathan
    I like how your prices all seemed very cognizant of being fair and not homerish. I'd have liked to see you lay out the roster after all your moves along with the salary bottom line. My biggest plus there was the Arraez trade idea (does STL need a 2B?), but I'm worried about Chris Taylor as an every day SS.
  24. TheLeviathan
    Clearly you are not well-versed with Ace Ian Anderson the One True Pitching God. At least I assume that's what he is because the rest of the NL Champion Braves certainly aren't pitching like aces. And the Astros? Yeah...go take a gander at all the aces they rode to the World Series! Playoffs are a small sample. Teams with depth and luck win in the postseason. There is no magic formula and certainly not one where aces win championships.
  25. TheLeviathan
    I wasn't necessarily speaking for me. There are a lot of fans that are upset with starters who can't/don't pitch many innings. Robbie Ray was doing that before it was cool. (Driving up 100+ pitch counts in 4 innings. It was a common issue in his time with AZ) I only brought it up because people tend to look at "aces" as top end guys who are workhorses and Ray has a suspect history on that front. If the Twins invested in him I'd be fine with that.
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