I never said anything about anyone other than women making their own choices. I'm on the record in several of these threads supporting legal, safe abortions because I don't see any other way of handling the current (key word there) situation. But your post is sprinkled with references that show you have been influenced by the manipulative effort. In my opinion, most pro-choice people have become so immersed in some of the talking points that they have lost perspective on what they're saying. Take Psuedo's comment earlier (a common one among pro-choice people) which effectively argues unwanted children are better off dead. Just take a moment to grasp at the profound arrogance of such a position to declare which lives are worth living. But because that argument is common, people throw it around with no thought as to the extent of the meaning. The manipulation is in the narrative and the degree to which it blinds people from forming a thoughtful position in favor of just joining a movement. My point, in context, was about why we can't more actively engage the real problem of unwanted pregnancies. One side won't do it because of stupid beliefs about sex education and contraception. (And their own false narrative) But why aren't pro-choice people working twice as hard to eliminate the difficult choice in the first place? Why is their focus only on the legality of abortion and not on promoting more measures to reduce unwanted pregnancy? Not only is it better for women, but it's the kind of good faith effort that wins over thoughtful people! For me, and maybe I'm wrong on this, the answer is that they don't want to shift the focus. When you are busy going "ra ra" about a "right" it's easier to drum up support and passion. Talking about practical ways to make the whole situation better just doesn't add up to passionate supporters. (This is why those awful pro-life billboards look and sound the way they do - manipulation of public perception) The manipulation is in the presentation of the "fight". The fight should be about unwanted pregnancy, not about how great it is that abortion is legal. That is a huge tonal shift in the argument that would do a world of good at reducing the true issue, but I have zero hope of achieving that when both sides are so hell bent on a manipulative narrative to drive public discourse.