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  1. TheLeviathan
    I thought Ridder was this year? (He's a big favorite of mine late 1st/early 2nd) You're spot-on that EDGE is deep this year. Elite pass rushers are ideal, but you can get to a QB with a front that demands a lot of attention like Cincy had this year. Or Tampa did last year. The problem the Vikings have had is a complete lack of DT pass rush since Big Kev. Hell, DT has been one of the worst coached positions on this team for pretty much the entire Zimmer tenure. Linval was a stud but they've had so much garbage scheming and usage. It'd be nice to land a guy who can line up inside and collapse a pocket. (Leal or Winfrey could be guys to watch in the draft)
  2. TheLeviathan
    So what would it take to move Hunter for people? I think he's an elite talent, but injuries have cropped up twice now and I'm unsure about his future. Similar trades, like Frank Clark or Khalil Mack have a wide variety of outcomes.
  3. TheLeviathan
    His stock is super tough to pin down right now. I could see them moving 7 for him, but sometimes that feels way out of whack.
  4. TheLeviathan
    I think it will get done on time and they push all this bitterness down the road. It won't change the ticking time-bomb baseball is sitting on. The one they keep doing their best to explode.
  5. TheLeviathan
    I came here with one thing to say and one to ask and you tackled half of it for me! Murderville is a fun concept on Netflix - part improv, part scripted comedy, a lot of fun. Worth a watch. I came to ask if anyone has an opinion on Righteous Gemstones and since I value your opinion highly, I'm bumping that to my next binge. Walter Goggins is a god damn national treasure, the man doesn't get nearly enough love for just how good he is.
  6. TheLeviathan
    I find this scenario far more likely - we get an incentive this year and the real payment is next year. I'd make that deal for sure BTW. So with Patterson in New York....do you take the Giants picks at 67 and 81 along with their 1st next year for Hunter?
  7. TheLeviathan
    At this point, I'd just like to see a full season out of the kid and I think that's all Nick is saying....on the Royce Lewis BINGO card of crappy ways to lose a season "lockout" wasn't welcome.
  8. TheLeviathan
    No way they give us 6 for him, but I'll take their second rounder and a pick next year. I am actively rooting for this team to move Cousins and Hunter this offseason. Cook too, but I don't see that happening.
  9. TheLeviathan
    Fun fact: A million seconds ago was about a week and a half ago. A billion seconds ago was the year 1990 A trillion seconds ago was 30,000 B.C. Any argument that suggests "wealthy" is all the same is equivocating to a ridiculous degree.
  10. TheLeviathan
    Sounds like baseball in 2022 to me!
  11. TheLeviathan
    I wouldn't be a fan of it either, but there will be a lot of QB movement this offseason, so who knows what opportunities present themselves.
  12. TheLeviathan
    We appear to have different definitions of the word "fix".
  13. TheLeviathan
    You made the claim that a world champ didn't use analytics to win while obviously not knowing they had an analytics department in two of the three seasons you cited. So, if you want your claim to hold could you please thoroughly research how Bochy ignored the analytics department? Or why the Giants were paying people they were actively ignoring? It's your claim to prove in light of that evidence. It'd be a cool story to read. By all means PM it to me when you have it done so we can keep the thread on track.
  14. TheLeviathan
    1) Yes, I contend that baseball teams were not steeped in analytics in, say, 1953 or 1908. They could have been, had someone been forward thinking enough, but they weren't. That's a fact. They also warmed to the practice slowly despite all kinds of evidence for it once it became more prevalent. 2) MLB teams are actively going to court to not pay players for spring training....so yes, I put nothing past them in the rest of this post. I'd think it silly too if they didn't actively engage in exactly that kind of bizarre, inexplicable behavior despite piles of evidence to the contrary. The evidence on the side of "baseball teams screw players over, nickel and dime them, are indifferent about their circumstances, and are cheap as hell" is a god damn mountain. So...yup, I gladly stand by it. Makes about as much sense as 15 minutes CBA negotiations. But here we are!
  15. TheLeviathan
    Seriously? I mean, the Giants have had an analytics department since at least 2012 (Same guy still works there - Paul Bien), but don't let any evidence get in the way of your false argument.
  16. TheLeviathan
    Watson is definitely a reason to hedge their bets considering his interest.
  17. TheLeviathan
    Cool. Fun fact: I never said anything like this strawman. Like, even remotely. I know, I went back and reread to be sure. So, yes, I am declining to acknowledge a thing I never said. It's why I declined previously, I didn't want to engage your strawman. However, you appear intent to grasp at that straw (pun intended) because it's being made obvious by a host of other posters that you're delivering false conclusions. To clarify, cuz I'm nice like that, I said baseball ignored and/or didn't discover analytics until the game was a century old. It was always there to be used had some enterprising team wanted to employ it. Yet they didn't. Maybe that was purely ignorance of the value. But then...even now people brought up in the pre-analytics tradition still rail against it. Meaning there is a history of baseball ignoring things out of traditional thinking. Or out of stubborn, greedy thinking. Which is, you know, what I actually said. Apologies to your strawman, but the third path is pretty obvious and as as baseball as apple pie (Or some other clever turn of phrase): MLB is really good at inexplicably ignoring good ideas because it's cheap, ignorant, or weird.
  18. TheLeviathan
    I'm so glad someone brought this up. This is the investment vs. commodity I was alluding to earlier, but maybe that's not quite right. It's closer to investment vs. asset/property. The teams clearly know spring training has value for the minor leaguers, otherwise they wouldn't invite/require them to be there. They also clearly think their time is worth some compensation. Yet they fight tooth and nail to keep that compensation at the absolute minimum, even in situations where they fully acknowledge the value. This entire situation stinks of "yeah, those investments might be really fruitful....but I'll be damned if they get one red cent from me!" And, yes, this is behavior and thinking completely in lock-step with a variety of issues from the CBA to funding stadiums to building facilities, etc. This is precisely how the MLB owners think across a variety of topics, why are we at all shocked it exists with the lowest rung of players?
  19. TheLeviathan
    Baseball did not use analytics until recently. It could have been done just as well in 1908 as 2022. The advantage such a strategy could lead to didn't just come into existence in the universe in 1977. It was always a possibility, only no on had thought to consider it. Meaning through some combination of ignorance, oversight, stubborn behavior, or whatever else they were eschewing an otherwise wonderful tool. Your contention that the same couldn't be the case right now with investing in minor leaguers is a point with no merit. It's demonstrably false and your fallacious reasoning is the root of that false claim.
  20. TheLeviathan
    The point was the flaw in your logic. It's literally the fallacy of false alternatives. Your entire argument on this entire point is one big, fat pile of fallacious thinking. And you're so stuck in your own bias about it that you can't pull free. Go ahead, google the fallacy. It's unquestionably what you're doing and why your point requires some serious re-thinking. As for the argument I made: Bill James was publishing mathematical evidence for it as of 1977 yet it didn't take hold for decades after beyond a few pockets of individuals. Applying your logic would lead someone to believe that it took so long because it outlawed by rules or that they studied the benefits and found it lacking. There is no possible third alternative as you say. Of course, we know that isn't the case. Sabermetrics are not outlawed, nor were they ever, and they reaped massive benefits had anyone pulled their heads out of their rear ends long enough to consider the possibilities. Teams didn't adopt them because they were rigid and lacked the desire or willpower to be forward thinking. Just like they are on this issue. What will need to happen is similar to SABR - a recognition that old arguments don't apply and past thinking was flawed. Players are investments to build up, not commodities to control.
  21. TheLeviathan
    Baseball spent 100 years ignoring analytics. Decades intensely avoiding it when it was openly advocated. Still to this day dismissed by many in baseball. This conclusion is obviously false. Several of your conclusions on this issue seem to carry the same burden.
  22. TheLeviathan
    You have made your position more than clear on this issue, but I don't think it holds up under any reasonable amount of scrutiny. It simply doesn't make sense to put forward so little care and concern for significant investments. Baseball has been nothing if not great at ignoring rational, obvious ways to make itself better. Including teams and their strategic thinking.
  23. TheLeviathan
    Not only are these logical from the position of running a smart baseball operation that helps players succeed, it's also just basic common sense in terms of how you handle your business investments. Appel, who has a fat signing bonus, is talking about how he and his peers have to struggle for good meals, good workouts, and a place to live. How the hell can any rational person see that as an effective system for building up players to play a rigorous, physical game? How no executive has been smart enough to invest peanuts into this for a better return than the rest of the league is beyond me. It's a huge competitive advantage for minimal investment. God baseball is full of short-sighted folks.
  24. TheLeviathan
    Adam Zimmer really thought he still had a shot I bet.
  25. TheLeviathan
    We are all too desperate for worthwhile conversation. We are several steps past "welp...how bout this weather we're having?" It shows. Stupid lockout.
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