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I understand that is the in vogue way to handle it now. They certainly will not be part of the next contending team if they are traded for hope and dreams that most won’t ever make it to the show. Their value for your method is best now at the trade deadline Funny how Jeffers is being paid less than Caratini, but Jeffers is too expensive but Caratini is not, eh? There is always a surprise team every year.

Sure. Trade the best and keep the mediocre. Always a recipe for getting worse, not better. Every time. Over and over.

What? No calls to trade the whole team from all the blowhard expert arm chair GMs?

Lopez could have sucked this year, anyway. Just as likely as if he would have been great. I mean really. Time to get on with it. Maybe all these pitchers will break out together. Time to findout. One thing is sure. You won't see Duran coming it to save his games.

21.5 million unemployment pay. It could be worse for him.

Endless shortstops to utility players and minor league top pitching prospects to the bullpen. Is anyone surprised?

Looks like his eyes didn’t get any closer together.

Roden was the "quiet" part of the trade? Amazing. Telling us what we saw is not what we saw, and in Minnesota on a fansite. Haven't we all had enough of that? Roden was the only part of the trade we saw, and he loudly sucked when given everyday playing time, just like he did with Toronto in the show. Spring Training and AAA fools gold is hyped. but nothing about his actual performance in the show, the only performance that really matters. Martin looked like a little leaguer on the base paths and many decisions in the outfield. We saw that, too.

I hope Buxton is insured and he doesn’t do something crazy in the outfield, especially if he is moved to an unfamiliar corner outfield spot.

Good riddance. If Falvey had a spine at all he would have resigned at the trade deadline instead of agreeing to decimate this team. These guys like Falvey are hired guns only interested in their own career and are temporary while caring fans are permanent. Who’s the next stranger to come in and pretend they know it all and say they love the Twins? (How about all those top of the line pitchers he promised?) The sad thing is their character can’t be to keen if they will work for Pohlad. Tom Pohlad is like the new guy in the grocery store’s hierarchy that comes in and wants to make his mark so he has the guy under him rearrange the location of everything (firesales the best parts) and makes the employees (feckless FO) do all that meaningless extra work only to piss off the customers (fans) because they can’t find anything anymore (a team full of new less talented and cheaper strangers).

…. and likely take an 18 year old shortstop that is an Austin Martin utility player in 7 years? Exciting. But maybe finally, a top of the heap pitcher that is the next Skenes? Na. They like projects for pitchers.

Only Losers trade their best players for prospects. Winners always trade their prospects for other teams MLB best. I have yet to see the prospects traded for put that team in a playoff run anytime soon, but often see the MLB players that were traded become prime reasons for the new teams success immediately and very soon. This idea that trading your best players for prospects that may never even make it to the show makes a bad team better is way more often folly than success. How is that working for the Twins? It sure showed after all the trades. But it sure helped several teams that traded for the Twins best. A team isn’t bad because of their best, they are bad because of the worst and mediocre. Hell, we all could be dead before it ever happens with rinse repeat. That is a better bet than thinking it is always going to happen by getting rid of your best that every other team would like to have, Yup. After following this team since being 6 in 1961, calculating batting averages longhand after every at bat, scouring the Sunday peach section from Rapid City and Pipestone and White Bear Lake…..these last two seasons and the collapse of the current round of prospects (including Lewis and Wallner and Larnach and Kirilloff) that were the next sure thing….. I’m demoralized and yelling at the clouds. I did have an awesome 5 years of fandom 1987-1991 through my 30s, (I see you got it years 8-12 - great age to get sucked in for life, eh?) and those 60s teams, too. I leave hope and dreams to others now. I have no time for the future and embrace the now. I hope it all works out for you that are gaming for next year, and the year after that maybe, or in a five year build cycle, or whatever you want to tell yourselves.

Trading for prospects is the plague of modern day baseball. Hope and dreams never win anything.

It looks like, once again, the Twins feel Tait is way better than the rest of the league does, as he is only the 8th best rated catcher in the new prospect ratings. It will take a much better catcher to ever make up for losing Duran, and at this point, it is unknown whether Tait will even make it to the show, and he is a long ways away right now.

The paint is still peeling........

Just my opinion of course. DM me and we'll work out the parameters and discuss if you are truly interested. Ober was touted as having pinpoint control (not by me), and he was an exception to the "generally". SWR couldn't even manage to stay in the Show with all that control not betraying him (unless throwing meatballs in the zone is still considered control. Not what I hope for, of course, but it is my prediction.

It doesn’t matter. Their best is already past them. They will both get shelled this year.

To have anyone "crowded out" by anyone except Buxton on this sad roster is ridiculous. Quite a bit of irresponsible mismanagement to add so many lefties, when you need righties. Like Outman and Roden. And they paid way to high for Roden.

Maybe Duran will finally be MLB ready in 2 or 3 years, too. Maybe. Those pesky maybes to get all pseudo excited about that maybe will get equal value from a trade. The best judge of a trade is if you could reverse the trade after it is done. Do you think the Phillies would be stupid enough to trade Duran for Abel and Tait? No chance.

i agree. But with Ober, his track record is effectiveness craters as his velocity drops, and low 90s high 80s he gets bombed.. I personally wouldn’t be using Maddux as a comparable out of respect for Greg. Not even in the same ballpark, size or talent. I can’t help to be disappointed, Ober is huge.

It still disappoints that a guy as big as Ober can't throw the ball any harder than he does. And it is just getting worse.

Alan Roden: ”For the season, he finished with a .249 wOBA, compared to an expected mark of .225, a gap of about 24 points.” Lucky? Horrible however you look at it. I would hate to see him regress to average or unlucky, when his lucky .249 wOBA is so bad anyway.

Sweet. The fans will be racing back, now!

Useful asset. Innings eater. The roster holders that are dead ends. Good teams replace and upgrade them. Mediocre teams embrace them. That is why they stay mediocre.

This teams ownership is a total joke. So is the feckless Falvey, who would have resigned long ago if he had a backbone. And this just continues the joke. Hope? Only to be more paralyzed by hope. The only thing he got correct is that the Pohlads have lost the fanbase. Tom is just more loss coming.