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  1. Battle ur tail off
    Right, and that is the problem. As a "flier" this is a great move. The problem is, I don't think they see it as that. If they are able to bring someone in that can be seen as a #2 type guy AND we signed Rich Hill? It would be seen as a very interesting move to most of us I'd bet.
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    I honestly don't really care if the Twins get him. But if they are truly offereing 100 mill(for the record, I don't believe they are), and you really want him here? Then just up it to 110 and get him signed. Make him turn you down at the price he has said he will sign for. My guess is that the offers are a fair amount below 100 million. Why else would that 110 number be a big deal to him? Unless, as has been speculated, the Twins and Nats are around 100 and the Braves are sitting there around 80-85 and he really wants back in Atlanta.
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    I said it in my last post but I think it’s time for them to come clean. Let everyone know flat out you couldn’t afford any of the top free agents and that you are gonna start some of your kids. One at one of the corners and 1 or 2 in the rotation. Then tell folks you will be working the lines from now till the trade deadline trying to improve the club. I think people would respect them more and would have done the same thing to for TR had they just told the truth and let everyone know what the plan is. Rather than tell everyone how they find impact guys or terry’s famous quote about how money isn’t holding them back and that ownership has given them the green light.
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    As for what to do next? I honestly think it’s probably time for the FO to do an interview with the press and let everyone know what is going on. They’ve turned a ton of people off this winter. Let everyone know that your plan is to start one of your young guns at 1b and that there will be an open competition for your 3-5 spots in the rotation and name some guys you think have a chance. Bailey, Graterol, Thorpe, Dobnak, Alcala. At this point it’s obvious we have no chance to add anyone impactful. The FO is unwilling to push the envelope as it pertains to dollar offers to free agents and they are not trading anyone in the top 10 of our system. Bottom line. Just tell the truth for once
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    How do we know? That’s the thing I and others are arguing. Make the top offer by 10-15 mill and see what happens once. It has NEVER been tried in Minnesota so there is nothing there to base your statement I quoted on.
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    How can Sano be worth less than 2 prospects that low in the system? I understand the controllable aspect, but Sano on a full season might hit 50 hrs, drive in 130 and score 100 runs.
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    Boy are we expecting alot out of Ordorizi this season. He's good, but let's be honest here guys, he's a #3-4 starter. If he was that solid #2 guy, then our Front office completely messed up by not extending him more than one year. Even they feel like he is a mid rotation starter. Don't get me wrong, I like him. But he's generally a 5-6 inning pitcher, who keeps you in games. He's far from dominant though.
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    Like he already said. Make the highest bid for the guys you want. Not all will take them, but half or better will. Continually being low man at the auction won't get it done. Will some still pick to go where they want regardless of money? For sure. But not all of them will. What we have seen so far is the Twins making a lower offer than what whoever has signed for then being perplexed that they didn't get their guy.
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    Ryu just signed with Toronto Seattle has signed quite a few high end guys in recent years. Milwaukee has brought some big names in Detroit, Cubs and White Sox have been in the mix plenty. It's the Twins. It's no one else. Honestly. Quit letting these guys off the hook. Identify someone you want and make the highest offer. You will get better than 50% of them. That is all fans are asking. When the time is right, identify, make solid offer and see what happens. So far we have, identify, make an offer that fits into Twins budget, see what happens. Free agent signs. We all find out Twins were 20% off of the highest offer.
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    Could be onto something there. Obviously the south is where the best baseball/softball is played.
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    That kind of stuff doesn't matter if you blow their doors off with cash. I can't understand how just NO ONE wants to play in Minnesota for the Twins. However, any time there is a free agent in football that we want, the Vikings have ZERO problem getting them here. That is narrative pushed by the Twins, nothing more. I am not saying throw big money all the time, but if you want someone, give them the very best offer JUST ONCE and see what happens. I bet pretty soon their horses decide they like Minnesota summers and the plentiful alfalfa we have here.
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    Thing is they have now been wasting time waiting around for all these guys to take what they feel is their “fair” offer. Work on trades and forget about it. Do they not realize players won’t come here on a discount? Too many years of cheapness even if their offer is fair or market value the damage has already been done. One way to get a free agent you want here. Blow their doors off with more money than everyone else. Either do that or just stay away and quit wasting your time and getting people worked up. I shouldn’t even ask for trades anymore either. It’s the same thing. Won’t give up anyone of value, shot in the dark token offers.
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    Going by past history, they are likely not the high bidder. In fact, with what has gone on all offseason, I’d venture to guess they are the lowest of all 4 year bids. It’s fine for this one IMO. But this sets the stage for the mass exodus once our boys are ready to get paid. Don’t think for one minute they can’t see what’s going on.
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    I would assume if there are already 4 year offers out there, the worst he would come away with would be 4/80. You aren't getting him for 2 years at his age I don't think. He's older, why would he give up additional years to become a free agent again? In 2 years, he might not be worth a ton.
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    #1 vs a #3. Boyd is Scott Baker. What was his trade value back in the day? I agree though, if you think you have what you need in your high minors to get yourself an Ace in a year or two, then go ahead and send Detroit some decent not great prospects for this guy. I wouldn't give up a single player in our top 10 for him though. Syndergaard is a #1 type. I would give up 1 of Buxton, Lewis, or Kiriloff plus a lottery pick guy. All 3 of these guys are redundant in our system. Losing them wouldn't hurt us too bad. That said, any and all of the 3 could become mega studs as well. If that isn't enough for them, then walk away. This should have been done at the trade deadline and likely could have been had the Twins pursued it harder.
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    Well, then you aren't getting him. Flat out. I'm not saying 4/110 is worth it, but that's what he wants.
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    What I think and what is actually happening might not be the same things. It's just a guess based on prior history. Them being the high bidder on a one year deal, and them giving up 100 mill are totally different things.
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    No, as it pertains to drafting/developing/trading I will give them credit when one of the guys they traded for, or one of the guys they drafted does something for the big league club. For sure you can ding TR for not being able to produce players. 100%. I'm not saying I liked him either. But to dismiss that the guys that he and BS drafted or signed internationally are the ones driving the success of this club now isn't seeing the full picture either. What I am saying is that this FO is NO DIFFERENT in the way they go about acquiring players. It is basically a page out of the Terry Ryan playbook. Sign washups, make minor trades and rely on your system. It's really no different and if last years trade deadline and this year's offseason don't show that, I don't know what will. Do I think these guys are implementing things organizationally that are good, successfull, will bear fruit? Yes, I sure do. What I don't like though is the same process they are using to add to the core of players they have here now. It is like 2006 or 2010 all over again. Great core of players, then add bandaids and bubble game to try and plug obvious holes. Basically, I want them to take a chance to be GREAT.
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    I agree he is playing the Twins. I do however, doubt we are the highest offer. Is it possible, yes, but they never have been in the entire history of the ballclub. That said. I'm guessing Atlanta is the low bidder. I really don't know what is so attractive about Atlanta. Hot, sweaty, dirty town, tons of crime. He probably likes his team and feels they have a great chance(which they do). I'm so-so on him anyway. While he would be nice to have, I don't really think spending that kind of dough on a position player of his age when pitching is in such dire need is a great idea. That said, if they aren't going to spend at all, then I'd rather they give him the dough rather than pocket it.
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    What I don't get here is that the Twins last year had one of, if not the best catching production in all of baseball with those 2 guys. Is he starting in Anaheim? If not, it seems silly Twins didn't pursue seeing as he got a one year deal for not a ton of money?
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    Jim Thome, remember him? He's Cruz. Carl Pavano, remember him? He's Ordorizi. I am not saying they shouldn't get credit for signing those guys you named, or having success recently. Most certainly they should get some of that credit. What I am saying is that there isn't any change in the way they go about acquiring players. It is almost exactly the same as previous regimes as of now. As for the coaching hires? Giving them credit for hiring them is enough. I will give the rest of the development props to the actual coaches that made it happen. If Lewis, Kiriloff, Graterol, Duran, Alcala, etc, etc come up and produce here, then they should get credit 100% for those guys. Buxton, Rosario, Sano, Berrios, Kepler, Polanco, Garver, Rogers,. Thank Terry and Billy. In particular Billy. He had a heck of a run drafting and signing some international guys.
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    They sure do,. Their coaching hires have been FANTASTIC, 100%. These guys have done a great job for sure. This IMO, is the main thing they have done DIFFERENT that has had a positive effect on the team/organization. I'll reserve judgement on any of their draft picks and guys they traded for until they do something. It does look like it will bear fruit though, doesn't it? As of yet though, its TR and BS guys making this happen. What I am saying is that yes, they credit for those things.Those signings and trades you talk about in the first part of your post are all Terry Ryan-esque moves. Low-risk moves, signing of old boys hoping for a good season, etc. Like I said, song remains the same. Maybe the addition of the things they are doing organizationally with the exact same player acquisition strategy as prior regimes have used will work. But to say that part is any different is 100% not true.
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    Like, what "direction" are we looking at that is any different than what we've seen since about 1999? There is nothing new here player acquisition wise. We are relying on our system, as has always been the case. Adding veterans at the end of their career or signing guys hoping and praying for a bounceback. Trading for guys without giving up much for them and getting mediocre performance from them. Remember, Terry Ryan made some good trades too, Billy Smith traded for Carl Pavano, brought in Matt Capps. Jim Thome was signed as well. Twins brought in lots of relievers in the mold of what has been done recently. The difference here is in the type of coaching these guys are getting. They are focusing on new age analystics, spin rates, mechanical inefficiencies, etc more than in the past. Everything else though, the song remains the same to quote LedZep. Prove me wrong and I will eat crow. Right now though, it is the same bubble gum and band aids holding the starting staff together of a team that won 101 game last year. Terry Ryan or Billy Smith could have done that.
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    The thing is some are so quick to give this new front office so much credit for on field success. These are all Terry Ryan drafts and developed also under his leadership. Yes, the new guys run a different show and are much more analytical, etc. that’s good I think it will bear fruit. That said, these are not their guys winning right now.
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    Been around too long. Expect the press conference in a week or so when the signings become official.
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