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  1. Battle ur tail off
    Did I say I was smarter than them? You posted, "what would you do". I posted what I would have done. Were any of the other teams after these guys in the situation that the Twins are in? Because this is a unique case here at the moment. Are you of the belief that you must stick to your "assigned values" all the time, no matter the situation? I'm curious, because by doing so, as they have done this offseason, it resulted in getting ZERO of the guys they wanted.
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    I would guess the reason they haven't just given Berrios that 4.4 number is that they want to hold up the process and work towards a long term deal. If they just give him that 4.4 today, it's probably harder to get that long term deal done. If they aren't and this truly is a case of the Twins hanging tough over 350K, it is laughable and extremely cheap.
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    Offered Wheeler 5/135 mil Offered Madbum 4/100 mill Offered Ryu 3/80 Yes, I would have done things like this is that order. That would have guaranteed we get one of them The differences in these offers and what the Twins had on the table amounts to about 3-5 million more per year. If they were willing to go to 100 with Wheeler, 80 with Madbum or 65 with Ryu, the difference is basically what would amount to a bullpen arm or a utility player. A bullpen arm or position player that could be easily filled with someone in your system for the league minimum. .
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    Not truly angry as in this makes me mad and I just can't go on. In the scheme of life this is a baseball team and it won't affect my life one way or another. I guess I should have said frustrated.
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    You forget about the guys that take the middle ground. Just because you want to see a few prospects traded or an impact guy signed doesnt mean you want to break the bank or trade a substantial portion of your top prospects. What I and others see is a team with not much money that has to be paid this year or next. Wouldn't hurt a thing right now to spend some of it on an impact guy. I also see a team with their lineup full and some redundency in their system with hot shot prospects. You can't play both the guys that are starting now and these prospects. Why not trade from a position of strength to beef up a place of weakness(pitching)? These prospects are worth lots right now. You don't need to trade them all but if you have 3-4 guys that profile as corner outfielders, you can afford to move one of them. When you have an all-star shortstop and a good young player at 2B, it's okay to move a middle infielder and bet on the guys you have there now that are producing.
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    Haha. I don't have all the right answers either. None of us do, this is a message board to give opinions and burn time. I agree the Twins team from last year was great. I'd just like to see them supplement it and give it a good run.
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    And maybe they aren't. Maybe they are working on an extention and Berrios is being unreasonable. We don't know. My hope is that either this year or next, they can get a deal for him to buys out 2 or so FA seasons. Talking about impact pitching all the time. Berrios is impact. Keeping him around and happy I think is of extreme importance.
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    And to some of us, this looks like pitchforking through a garbage bin and picking out a few half eaten apples that look like they "might" be decent yet. What is the average age of those guys you named off? Romo, Clippard, Hill, Bailey. All are OLD. And all are at best average to below average players right now. How is that "impacting" anything. See and the way I see it, is that you HAD to bring back Ordorizi and Pineda, just to get you half the way to where you needed to be. That said, I thought these were both excellent moves. These 2 IMO, are both solid #3-4 starters. Glad they realized what they had there and made darn sure they stayed with the team. Romo, Clippard, Bailey, Hill. I hope like heck these guys can bring it next year, but be honest, there is just as good a chance that NONE of these guys are productive for the Twins this season. Can they be? Sure. But what is the average age of these guys? We will see, but IMO to count on any of these guys to be better than league average isn't wise. And thus, the "impact" they will bring doesn't excite alot of us.
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    I find it extremely hard to understand how there are people that are NOT angry? Honestly. Were some of you not around during the 2000's? This team had a core that consisted of a Cy Young Winner, Batting champion, and MVP all in the same season. This same season they employed a journeyman utility player at DH. The "big trade" they made to put this team over the top? DFA fodder for PTBNL types. This is the same path I see this new front office going down as it pertains to player acquisitions. I've said it before, these guys are not much different than Terry Ryan when it comes to that. THAT is what is frustrating to those of us with the different opinion than ya'll.
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    I flat out just don't think it's really worth trading anyone to acquire a 3B or 1B unless they are extremely good. If it were me, at this point, if they don't sign Donaldson, I'd just have an open competition for a spot at either 1B and let Rooker, Kiriloff, or 3B and let Lewis, maybe Blankenhorn battle it out. I'd get Sano a ton of reps at 1B as well. I just feel like this way would provide as good or better results than signing a washup type to play 1B. Garver can get some games at 1B there too as well as Gonzalez, etc. I'm always of the belief if you aren't willing to bring in high end guys to play, then go with your system players rather than give someone that's decent not good a 2 year deal etc and waste money for a guy that has a decent chance of being DFAed before that contract is even up.
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    It was wrong in the fact that, yep, they settled with them. I'm not this hard headed type that won't budge on takes or admit when I am wrong. It happens. In fact, I am most likely wrong much more than I'm right! LOL I'm sorry for being so cynical, but this offseason has really taken it's toll on me. I shouldn't be so negative, but man it's hard to watch/listen this winter. I'm glad they got a deal with Sano done. Looks like it's another "team friendly" deal for them. Good for them. I hope at some point they actually go for it though. I'm of the belief this core is pretty dang good and it's just an utter shame to not supplement them and fill holes with those "impact" players we always talk about. Seriously, this lineup is good enough to win a world series, or at least win a playoff series or two.
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    I SURE DO MISS THE OLD BOY.
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    Not good to have this many cases go to arbitration. To me that means the Twins lowballed every single one of them. When will they learn. I'm guessing our best guys have had enough of their bosses already. Don't expect it to be easy to sign the rest of the core of this team to long term deals.
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    "How they could get the best out of Rich Hill?" See if he is up for cooking the postgame meals. Maybe ask him if he is able to help with janitor duties or would mind selling peanuts and cracker jacks. LOL Just kidding. I think the best use of this guy is as a starting pitcher. That has always been his role, he's old and used to it. Get him back healthy, ease him into it and when they need solid starts down the stretch or into the playoffs, milk him for every last pitch he has left. Chew him up and spit him out so to say.
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    Alex Trebeckzie is a heck of a game show host. He asks the living fire out of the questions. He really battled out there tonight on the big stage. That's fun to see. When you work your tail off like that, good things happen.
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    When he barrels up, he's like no one else in the league. WATCH OUT!!
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    I'm on the Sano wagon and have been for some time. My biggest thing and the largest reason he had a better season last year IMO, is his plate discipline. You saw it when he was a rookie, then it kind of disappeared for a little bit there. Last year he was back to spitting at tough pitches, laying off outside breaking balls and making the pitcher groove him one. When there is a pitch right down the middle and his swing is on, there isn't a guy in baseball that hits it harder and farther than he does. There has been some talk about trading him around here, etc. I think that would be a huge mistake. From what I've been told, etc, he isn't worth a ton in a trade. I'd ride him out and hope to lock him up to stay around here for awhile. Power like that just doesn't come around very often. I'm not sure the Twins have produced one from their system with that kind of pop forever.
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    Sure, I can agree with where you are coming from. My comment was mainly pertaining to how fans are perceiving this or why there is such a clamor to bring Donaldson in. I think if they had inked one of those 2-3 pitchers, there wouldn't be the pessimism and the calls by everyone to bring him in almost no matter what would be much more reserved. I agree with you that players that have plate discipline most notably, can age much better than someone who doesn't. As long as they are able to swing at good pitches and take walks when they are presented, they will give you a chance.
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    Right. Until you are sitting here with a productive team full of young guys making nothing. Right now they ARE getting the most value per dollar spent. It’s not very often a team like us is in the position they are in now. We can be “stupid” and sign a few guys for big money and not be hurt by it financially. Of course this also most likely improves the team.
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    I don’t think I there would be a ton of support to get him in here if the front office hadn’t completely bombed the offseason so far. I understand what you are getting at. Most likely we get 2 seasons of good play out of him and 2 seasons where he is maybe a bench bat or starter 2/3 of the season. What most I think are banking on is him being very good this season yet and and pretty darn good yet next year. I’ve already said I’m so so on this move either way. But I think if it is between this and nothing at all, I’ll take this rather than let them put the rest of the money in their pockets or use it to sign more guys from the garbage heap.
  21. Battle ur tail off
    Your first response said that these free agents won’t come to Minnesota even if we were highest bidder. I responded in kind. I’m not sure where this last response is coming from. Either way if you look a few posts up, we see that the Twins are again in fact NOT the high bidder. It also looks like they dont want to move off their perceived value. So, like I said we will never know if players will come here when we are always low bid.
  22. Battle ur tail off
    The main core is all homegrown guys. And that is a GOOD thing. It's the only way for the team to be successful. Heck their whole lineup, except Cruz has come through the system.
  23. Battle ur tail off
    Maybe because the organization has lied to their fans for multiple years? Maybe because their "impact" pitching signings are the equivalent of a 1988 olds cutlass supreme? Maybe because the sentiment around the league and from their fans is that they are cheap and people are growing tired of it? I don't know. Transparency would buy them some more rope or at least time with their fans IMO. They don't have to lay out their plan. But they should address the fans, it's been pretty comical and borderline asinine how this offseason has played out so far. When they end up striking out on Donaldson now, they are going to have to answer some tough questions. I doubt the TC media takes them to task, but they most assuredly should do so.
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    I've been a fan of this team since the early 80s. I'm used to how they operate. What I am saying with my post there is that it is no different than TR's regime. We were told that wouldn't be the case when the window was open. We've seen this song and dance before with a couple different cores of players. I'm also not this huge fan of WAR. You named like 10 players that produced 10 WAR. They are not the reason for the winning. It's the core of the club. Surround them with about anyone that is a standard issue MLB player and you should get that production. Of course they should get credit for Odorizi, Cruz and Pineda. All 3 were crucial to their success last year.
  25. Battle ur tail off
    Exactly. Let's hear your plan. And I don't want to hear you tried. Because results show you didn't. Go ahead and tell us Graterol has progressed and we're giving him the ball. Tell us that you've been working with Kiriloff at 1B and he will be the starter. Tell us no one is off limits in trade talks to improve the club. Use the talent in trades, or use it on the field. Let's go. This core is too good to not attempt to take the next step. If it comes down to us buying low-end dumpster types, I always think it's better to use your own guys. Why bring in old guys that are at best marginal and pay them when you can use your own that at least have potential and aren't going to cost anything? Go big or go home.
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