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  1. Battle ur tail off
    Trading guys with expiring deals is always good business if you are not contending and don't intend to sign them back. That said, having Escobar surely would be nice right about now. I am not sure why there wasn't a larger push to get him extended, but it is what it is. He got 3/21 from them and likely was offered 2/12(something less for sure) from us. It was a case of a player and agent knowing what they are worth and rejecting another cheap Twins offers. In the trade they brought back 3 guys, one with a chance. That's a good return for an expiring deal. Once that happened, it made all the sense in the world to move him. Moving Dozier for anything you could get was a great move. Trading Pressly wasn't all that smart. It's been 2 seasons and we haven't seen any return from that one yet. If the guys we got for him were so good, we would see them by now. The pitcher is 24 and is still in AA/AAA, I'd call him a fringy guy at best. There is a reason he hasn't been flipped yet, he isn't worth anything. The centerfielder we got is another dime a dozen player. He gets on base but has no power. Profiling as a 4th or 5th outfielder his worth is also little to nothing, or course he is young so who knows. This trade was a big L.
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    How do you know this? I haven't seen any evidence the Pohlads are willing to open the pocketbook. In fact, there's been evidence against it if anything. The trading of prospects has been balked at the same way it was under Terry Ryan. There isn't any proof this Front office will take any more risk than the last one either. These guys have done a fantastic job at improving the internal workings of the organization. Basically, the building from within the Twins have always employed looks to be much improved from what we are used to. I like you optimism, but until they show something, I think you are going to be swimming upstream trying to change fans mind about how the FO and ownership operate.
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    The thing is though, the "stuff" isn't there yet completely. The fastball is fantastic. His slider wasn't great, it plays well only because his fastball is so good. His changeup was non-existant. He is a ways away from being dominating as a starting pitcher. I don't know why people couldn't see that by watching him last season. He needs to be able to throw that slider much more often and be able to throw that changeup for a strike at least once every 2 batters or so to be an effective starter. If not, you put him in the pen, tell him to throw as hard as he can and have him continue to work on the slider and ditch the changeup or anything else. If he can perfect that slider, have a little more command, he will be the best reliever in all of baseball.
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    I mean, I agree with alot of what you are saying. But, as this process has played out, it sure looks like one of 2 things. His agent wasn't able to gauge this market correctly, or(heaven forbid this would kill a lot of people's arguments), he wasn't that wanted and the Twins QO was a good decision for him. Thus the folks saying he is better than Wheeler, Madbum, better than Ryu, etc. are making excuses for this FO, when if fact, he just isn't as wanted as any of those guys
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    They have 10 days to negiotate with other teams to gauge market value. It's in the rules. His agent didn't do a very good job on this.
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    Read please. I'm getting blasted for this, but seems as though some haven't read the rules. If his agent didn't use those 10 days to figure out his market value, he's bad. In fact, if I was Odorizzi with how this offseason has played out, I'd fire the guy right now. He did his client a huge disservice. He should have been shown the money this season. http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/qualifying-offer
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    Read how the process works. They have 10 days once it is offered in order to negotiate with other teams to gauge their market value.
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    My point is that if they are so much better than guys that are making 4X the money they are, why didn't any other teams approach them? We have read that as many as 5-10 teams are in on all these starters? How come none of them came after our boys that are BETTER as you say than the rest of that bunch? Other GMs and organizations must not know as much as our guys do. I'm sorry I forgot all about that.
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    They had the choice to sign elsewhere, yes they did. What they didn't have were offers significantly better than what we gave them. If there were that wanted, we'd have had to pay more for them.
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    Then you are smarter than every GM is baseball. Ordorizi was out there for anyone and everyone to bid on before he accepted our QO. They have 10 days once it is extended. Funny there wasn't anyone out there willing to make him a better offer than that if he is better than those guys?????
  11. Battle ur tail off
    There's 5 rotation spots. That is all.
  12. Battle ur tail off
    OK, I can be with that. The thing is, who is realistically out there to target? Everybody says they want another Jake Ordorizzi. Really? Because my sights are much higher than that. Has he been good, serviceable? Yes, he has, he's been a pretty darn good 3-4 starter. That said, this team needs more than that. They need THAT and another guy higher up the totem pole. I don't see where that comes from without giving up extreme prospect capital.
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    Haha. Missing on Cliff Lee was a big one in 2010 too...
  14. Battle ur tail off
    Another good post. It isn’t just one thing. It’s a culmination of things over many years that have fans feeling this way. It’s also a new front office that has said they will strike when the irons hot and so far it’s just been the same old song and dance. People have every right to be frustrated and mad at this ownership and front office.
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    What a fantastic post. This encompasses my feelings almost 100%.
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    I actually like this move. I have been wishing they'd have signed him a couple other times over his career. Another Vet in the bullpen to help out our young guys. I like it. This guy has done it well for quite a few years. And, like said, if he loses it, he is easy to DFA and change directions.
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    If you know you aren't going to be able to sign anyone, there shouldn't be time wasted there. Work the trades. Get out in front of it before the rest of the squads pivot their focus and beat you to the punch. Waiting around to make offers both on the trade front and Free Agency has killed them so far this offseason. Everything doesn't have to be a bargain. You don't have to WIN every transaction. When you are in the position the Twins are, you need to identify who it is you want and make sure you get them.
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    This is such BS it's not funny. I hate this argument, absolutely hate it. Yes, if the offers are the same, then players will pick where they want to go. However, when you are in the position the Twins are, you have to identify EXACTLY who you want and blow them out of the water with a deal. Madbum gets 4/85? Offer him 5/110. He won't turn it down, I will promise you that. It cannot be done all the time. But doing so when you are in this position is more than acceptable. You are paying a guy 4 or 5 years for basically the performance they will give you in year 1 or 2. Don't like doing that? Fine, draft and develop pitching that is able to fill that role. Or "gasp" trade some of the zillion positional player prospects you have in order to balance out your organization. Having piles of good position players doesn't do you any good if you have no pitching to go along with it.
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    I would feel the exact opposite here. Berrios for the first half of the year was that ACE. He was great, one of the game's best. All he has to figure out is how to sustain it for a full season. He has been tabbed as one heck of a hard worker also, I think between he and the Twins training staff, they can figure this out. Buxton hasn't done anything yet at the plate. He's a great defender, but a China doll when it comes to being durable. I don't put a ton of faith in him. That said, if he does ever hit his potential, watch out.
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    Honestly, they should have taken the chance last year. They should have said OK Mets, fine, you can have 1 of Lewis, Kiriloff, or Buxton. Now pick a guy in our 5-10 prospect range. That trade would have been accepted almost assuredly. I am not sure why our FO is afraid to do something like this to get in a pitcher of that caliber.
  21. Battle ur tail off
    I wouldn't go that far. Trade deadline 2018 they made a lot of trades. Most of those guys are fairly highly ranked in our farm system. Those could turn out to be fine or even great trades. We won't know for another year or two. One thing I will give them credit for it look like(assuming 2018 would be the norm), that when they have an asset they know they won't retain, they are way more willing than Terry Ryan was to dump them and get what they can.
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    Won't get that out of him. Only will get what we "wont" or "can't" do. As has been said zillions of times on here before, Twins have a pitching problem. There are 2 ways to correct it if you want it to happen quickly, sign or trade. So far it looks as if the FO wants to do neither. Or at least neither involving high end guys. This is a problem if you think we can compete, truly compete next season or the year after. It's my opinion this FO is perfectly happy waiting on their own prospects to develop in order to fill out this pitching staff. In fact, I would bet you see them trade someone away for more pitching prospects before you see them give up prospects for someone that is producing right now.
  23. Battle ur tail off
    I like keeping this guy around because of his attitude alone. He knows what it takes to win. His performance? He does well, but not a guy I want in the 8th or 9th most times. That said, his slider is still really tough to square up. Either way, he's worth a roster spot and I could care less that the Twins might have had to give up some money for them. They have cheaped out enough. Pay the man
  24. Battle ur tail off
    If this is true, why aren't the Twins working their tails off to get him signed longer term? Why, after making him the QO, didn't they work on getting him locked in for 3-4 more years? If he is truly that kind of pitcher and they were willing to go 5/100 with one of them, then why aren't they looking long term with Jake?
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    Either way, it probably doesn't matter. If this is what is being reported, that means one of the teams balked at an offer. To me, anything better than a bucket of kentucky fried chicken is a good return for Jake Cave. I'm certain Miami wanted something else in the deal.
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