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    The Twins Don't Need Another Righty Setup Man


    Greggory Masterson

    Trading for a good (but not great) reliever at the trade deadline: it’s the easiest trade to make for contenders' front offices. But the Twins don’t need to do it this year.

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    Every year, roughly a dozen right-handed setup men get flipped from a team out of contention to a playoff hopeful. Teams packing it in for the year—and potentially future years—are often eager to find their reliable reliever a new home and an opportunity to throw in the playoffs, and contending teams are happy to take them in, at the cost of a low-wattage prospect or two.

    This type of player, given the large supply of them and their debatable effect (a setup man does much less for a team than a star first baseman), doesn’t cost much. As an example, consider the Twins’ recent trade deadline acquisitions. Since 2019, they’ve made six trades for big-league talent, and three of those trades were for right-handed setup men.

    Most recently, the Twins traded for Michael Fulmer, who gave them 24 solid innings down the stretch in 2022, sending starting pitching prospect Sawyer Gipson-Long to Detroit. Gipson-Long underwent Tommy John surgery after four solid starts for the Tigers in 2023.

    In 2019, the club acquired two such relievers: Sergio Romo and Sam Dyson. Romo pitched well enough down the stretch to get a second year with the Twins, and his return for the Marlins, Lewin Díaz, made the big leagues, but failed to stick as a first baseman. Likewise, the players the Giants received—Prelander Berroa, Jaylin Davis, Kai-Wei Teng—for Dyson (who, it is sometimes hard to remember, was a very good reliever at the time of the trade) have struggled to gain their footing in the majors. Still, each has had at least a cup of coffee.

    As one would expect, the prospect capital expended for these three relievers was modest. But there was risk. Gipson-Long, for example, has a reasonable shot at being an MLB starter if he recovers well from elbow surgery. Even if that career hadn’t come with the Twins, his value was surrendered for two months of a player who ranked fourth or fifth in the bullpen pecking order.

    At times, even a moderate risk might not be worth it. This might be one of those times.

    Consider the current back end of the Twins bullpen. It’s anchored by Jhoan Durán (one of the most exciting relievers in baseball) and Griffin Jax—considered by many to be even better. Surrounding them are the likes of Brock Stewart, Jorge Alcalá, and Josh Staumont, though each comes with their own questions.

    Stewart has significant injury question marks and has not pitched in two months, but he would fit into the same tier as Durán and Jax. Alcala is finally hitting his stride, but doesn’t have a long résumé. Staumont is recovering from thoracic outlet syndrome and walking too many batters, but he is pumping triple-digit velocity and improving as he recovers.

    That’s a decent enough collection of potential playoff arms. But there’s more. Come October, the Twins might attempt a ramp-down for some of their starting pitchers, echoing their strategy in 2023—in which Louie Varland, Chris Paddack, and Kenta Maeda each pitched in relief. Varland and Paddack were especially impressive, and could reprise their relief roles this year. That assumes someone takes Paddack’s spot in the rotation, of course. Beyond Paddack and Varland, Simeon Woods Richardson and David Festa are each quality candidates to ramp down, focus on their best pitches, and pump up their velocity in shorter appearances for the playoffs.

    It’s easy to see how a playoff bullpen—which only needs, maybe, five good righty pitchers—could fill up and render another Alcalá or Justin Topa-level pitcher redundant (humor me here, but even Topa could find his way into the picture). If the Twins spring for another righty, it needs to be someone in the Durán-Jax-Stewart territory, moving incumbents out of the picture.

    Anything else probably isn’t worth the prospect risk.

    From the left-handed side, however: sure. Go right ahead. Lefty relief has been a sore spot for the Twins. Caleb Thielbar has been slumping in his age-37 season, nowhere close to fulfilling his top lefty role of years past. Steven Okert has been Steven Okert, and Kody Funderburk has not taken the step forward many hoped to see this season.

    There’s a world wherein any of those three is a secondary lefty on a playoff team, but there’s no reason to turn to them over one of the big three (and arguably even Alcalá), even against lefties. A lefty Alcalá-type would be perfectly reasonable, and that’s where the Twins should focus their attention—if they’re shopping in the setup man section at all.

    Is it unreasonable to seek some regular season depth (for the right price)? No. Another Romo-for-Díaz swap is palatable. But it really doesn’t do much in terms of a playoff bullpen. The sights should be set higher than that.

    The 2022 Jorge López trade was a mess. López failed to even be useful as a Twin, and the package sent back to Baltimore almost immediately began outperforming him. He himself was flipped to Miami in 2023 for Dylan Floro, a reliever who was designated for assignment before the playoffs began. But this kind of trade would bring value to this year’s team. It has its own heightened level of risk, but if you’re shopping for righties, they should be righties who can help in October, not just August.

    Make a good trade for a lefty sixth-inning guy. Make a trade for a righty eighth- or ninth-inning guy. Trade for a starter, to facilitate that shift into a relief role for one or more of Varland, Woods Richardson, and Paddack. But don’t make a trade for a righty sixth-inning guy who won't factor into a playoff bullpen. It doesn’t move the needle, and it’s simply prospect risk you don’t need to take.

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    8 minutes ago, Beast said:

    Yes they do.

    I wouldn’t trust anyone outside of Duran and Jax in a high-leverage playoff scenario.  Maybe Alcala, but he’s pretty volatile.  Even Duran has looked shaky at times with the significant decrease in velocity.

    Banking on Paddack, Stewart, Staumont, Topa, to be healthy and performing well, and Sands and Varland to be good is irresponsibly optimistic.  The lefties in the bullpen are all pretty bad.  Thielbar was phenomenal most of last year, but we saw how well that worked out last year in the playoffs against the Astros.

    I don’t want them to have to give up prospect capital for a reliever.  That’s why I implore them to be more aggressive in free agency.  It’s not a significant investment.  But, they made their bed and now have to sleep in it.  

    I do understand the desire, but the type of relievers in FA that you wish them to go after are so expensive:  

    Chapman - 10.5M

    Hader - 19M for 5yrs

    Kimbrel - 13M

    Robertson - 11.5M

    Neris - 9M

    even Pagan - 8M for 2yrs! 

    Cause after looking at those top and second rung tiers of reliever, we're looking at the likes of: 

    Dylan Floro, Jake Diekman, Andrew Chafin, and...Josh Staumont

     

    The team should consider any move that makes them better.

    It's not just about a late inning in the playoffs scenario. You need to get to the playoffs first. There will also likely be injuries in the coming months.

    As is, the bullpen is acceptable. It could be better, but there's definitely room for improvement and without giving up significant prospects or payroll.

    I'm amused how many TD articles tore the team apart this off-season for their moves, but now the site is full of suggestions to keep the team as is, or only call up from the minors. That's ignoring all the "logjams."

    (Yeah, yeah...payroll...I know... But the themes here seem contradictory, even if those arguments came from different posters. It's the Internet. I have a short attn span.)

    5 hours ago, LambchoP said:

    I think at the very least we need a lefty for the bullpen. Maybe we keep one of either Theilbar or Okert for our playoff roster but I've got little to no faith in either of them in close games.

    Don’t forget Fundy.   The Twins have left-handed options.  Agreed - Not perfect.  

    40 minutes ago, Shaitan said:

    The team should consider any move that makes them better.

    It's not just about a late inning in the playoffs scenario. You need to get to the playoffs first. There will also likely be injuries in the coming months.

    As is, the bullpen is acceptable. It could be better, but there's definitely room for improvement and without giving up significant prospects or payroll.

    Getting to the playoffs is my biggest concern too. Which is why a 6th starter is way more important in my mind. If we get to the point that SWR or Paddack just run out of gas (or god forbid an injury) we're stuck with Boushley/Varland/Festa/Dobnak and that's basically giving away a game every 5 days. And I just feel like this need is inevitable.

     

    19 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

    Getting to the playoffs is my biggest concern too. Which is why a 6th starter is way more important in my mind. If we get to the point that SWR or Paddack just run out of gas (or god forbid an injury) we're stuck with Boushley/Varland/Festa/Dobnak and that's basically giving away a game every 5 days. And I just feel like this need is inevitable.

     

    I agree, but downvoted your post because I don't think they are necessarily giving away a game, and I don't want a "6th" starter, I'm only dealing for a guy I think is a number 2 or better....

    Names fly across the page, suggestions of adding this guy or that player. I like Tanner Scott. Watched Chafin a couple of times recently and he looked terrible because he constantly went to 3-2, traffic on the bases, very loud contact, and escaped through poor batting and sheer luck.

    Question is who Miami wants for Scott. Are they willing to send off Scott for Gabriel Gonzalez and Marco Raya? What is the cost? Tell me who goes the other way and pretend you are the opposing GM/PBO. 

    1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

    I agree, but downvoted your post because I don't think they are necessarily giving away a game, and I don't want a "6th" starter, I'm only dealing for a guy I think is a number 2 or better....

    A #2 is going to cost a lot of prospect capital. Probably what Mahle cost, even for a 1/2 year rental. At the time of the Mahle trade they had that abundance of questionable defense IF prospects that were somewhat redundant. Do they have something similar to move now? Plus, most trades for a high end pitcher will include the other team giving up a prospect SP. I'd love another top end pitcher, but I don't see it happening.

    Other than left handed outfielders who are nearing the no-longer-prospects threshold, I don't see that much redundancy in the minor league pipeline.

    10 minutes ago, Shaitan said:

    A #2 is going to cost a lot of prospect capital. Probably what Mahle cost, even for a 1/2 year rental. At the time of the Mahle trade they had that abundance of questionable defense IF prospects that were somewhat redundant. Do they have something similar to move now? Plus, most trades for a high end pitcher will include the other team giving up a prospect SP. I'd love another top end pitcher, but I don't see it happening.

    Other than left handed outfielders who are nearing the no-longer-prospects threshold, I don't see that much redundancy in the minor league pipeline.

    then don't deal for one.....that's all I think is worth getting....

    Want to be very clear that I'm NOT saying DON'T make a trade or upgrade. But I do agree in principal with the OP that the Twins don't...or shouldn't...need a RH arm for the pen. Now, not everyone will finish the season 100%, and not everyone will pitch awesome, but as  of this moment we're talking  about Duran, Jax, Stewart, Alcala, Staumont, Topa, Sands, and Varland. That's 8 possibles before SWR or Paddack possibly switched to the pen. I'd like to think that's enough to choose from to put together a pen for the post season....and the rest of the regular one...that you can rely on. 

    Go ahead, add another good, solid option that you feel you can honestly trust in the 7th inning if you can and it doesn't cost you much.

    But I'd really like to have a couple LH arms for that pen as well, and I just don't trust Thielbar to be the Thielbar of old...no pun intended...after a 7 short but effective outings. And Okert isn't a #1 lefty. And while Funderburk has better stuff than either of those guys, he's a young man still figuring out his stuff. So to me, any priority for the pen should be from the left side. 

    1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

    then don't deal for one.....that's all I think is worth getting....

    The many philosophies of the deadline are fascinating. Many are go big or go home. I'm a bit more of the "trade your pocket change for upgrades" personally. 

    I agree we have an abundance of very good RHRPs. If we get a RP it needs to be a LHRP. AJ Pukk would be a bargain. AJ Pukk was a pretty good RP for MIA last season & piled up some saves. This year they experimented with him being a SP. That ended in a failure with a ballooned ERA. Since the return to the BP he has brought his ERA down to a little over 4,00. To give you an idea, I'd compare him to Varland, who doesn't quite have enough to be a MLB SP but his stuff plays well in the BP. MIA is motivated to sell & Pukk won't get the attention as Tanner Scott or Nardi will.

    23 hours ago, saviking said:

    We are loaded with left-handed outfielders. So, the question is, Should we trade Kepler, as we will get nothing for him after the year is over? 

    We won’t get much for our rent-a-player.  Better to keep him for the stretch run.  Max deserves loyalty which will pay off (with this and other similar decisions) in making the Target Field a more attractive place to play for free agents in the future.  
    it helps when players go voluntarily to other teams and talk up how they liked playing for the Twins. 




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