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    Decision On Paul Molitor Looming


    Seth Stohs

    UPDATE (5:30 p.m. on Thursday) - According to Charley Walters (former Twins pitcher and Pioneer Press writer), Paul Molitor WILL return to the Twins under a new contract. A tweet from Mike Berardino said 'I'm told Paul Molitor has indeed been invited back for 2018, but source w/direct knowledge says 'nothing has been decided or agreed to' yet.

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    When Paul Molitor was hired as the Twins manager, he was given a three-year contract. His contract ran through this season, so he is technically approaching free agency. The legend from St. Paul has been in the Twins organization for most of the nearly 20 years since he retired from his Hall of Fame career.

    Derek Falvey and Thad Levine took the helm of their new positions with the understanding that Paul Molitor would be the manager for at least the 2017 season, finishing his contract. That season is now over and the front office must decide whether they want to keep Molitor as manager or bring in their own choice for skipper.

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    In the very near future, the Twins organization will make a decision on Paul Molitor. They will either sign him to another multi-year deal, or they will tell him that they are not going to renew his contract and a search will begin.

    One of the reasons given for letting Doug Mientkiewicz know right away that he was not going to be brought back as a minor league manager was so that he would have time to look for and potentially obtain another job. Managers and coaches are generally fired or let go within days of the end of the season so that the team can start its search right away.

    So the big question that the Twins have to answer in the very near future is whether or not to bring back Paul Molitor as the team’s manager. By all indications, Molitor would like to come back and continue the progress made this season. Darren Wolfson reiterated on 1500ESPN’s Wild Card post game show Tuesday night that as of very recently, Molitor had not yet been approached about an extension.

    So should the Twins bring back Paul Molitor, or should Derek Falvey and Thad Levine move forward with their own managerial choice?

    There are many ways to look at it, so I did a little research to try to find out what makes a good manager. While it’s easier to think of what makes a good baseball manager, some principals required for a good manager in the business world should also be considered. The front office has said on several occasions that they hope to bring in people and ideas from a variety of disciplines in an attempt to obtain new ideas and new ways of thinking.

    So here are a few characteristics that make a good manager in business or on the baseball field. As you read them, think about which Molitor may or may not fully meet the requirements of.

    Here’s the reality, however. Much of what makes a good manager in any business can not be seen by outside observers.Much of what makes Paul Molitor a good manager (or not, if that's the thought) happens behind closed doors. I am fortunate to have spent some time in the clubhouse during spring training and a couple of times each year at Target Field. I see a cohesive group. I see a manager who has the respect of his players. I talk to players who speak very highly of their manager. But we see and hear only a small part. What happens in the clubhouse or on the phone or when no media is present and no fans are around is where much leadership tends to happen. So as much as we hear and as much as I may present below, it is only a small part of what makes a good manager or leader.

    #1 - Goals and Results Oriented

    In the “real” world, companies set goals for sales, revenues, safety and more. Often managers are judged by how their groups perform relative to those goals. A performance review may have categories such as Doesn’t Meet Expectations, Meets Expectations and Exceeds Expectations.

    While Twins players, Molitor and the front office often said that they didn’t want to set any sort of Wins expectations or limitations for the season, you have to think that Molitor and the Twins exceeded expectations in 2017. You can also say that they didn’t meet expectations in 2016, and that they met expectations in 2015 when they were in playoff contention until the final weekend.

    What we don’t know in this category is what goals and results and expectations were presented by Falvey and Levine to Molitor. Wins and losses are ultimately what matter in the big leagues, but the front office may have other metrics or data points that it will factor into their decision. Talent level factors in as well.

    Clearly the big picture goal as laid out by the front office from the time they were hired and introduced is a sustainable, championship-caliber team and organization. Derek Falvey and Thad Levine need to determine if it is Paul Molitor who can take them there.

    #2 - Assertiveness

    Does a manager have to be assertive? I guess there can be several levels of assertiveness, but in the end the key is that everyone knows that the manager is in charge. While Molitor generally exudes a quiet, calm demeanor, his players understand that he’s in charge. He has clearly gained confidence leading this team, and the team responded.

    On the other side, Molitor certainly is aware of who his bosses are and works well with them too.

    #3 - Delegation

    While the manager has to understand and pass on the organization’s goals while being in charge, he also has to delegate responsibilities. The Twins brought in a few new coaches in 2017, and Molitor certainly seems to have allowed them to do their jobs.

    There appeared to be clear responsibilities for each coach. There appeared to be more communication. We read and heard about how Molitor worked closely each day with the front office and his coaches in developing game plans, understanding the advanced statistics and how to implement. The challenges have been taking the numbers, making them meaningful and figuring out how to present them to the players to make them usable.

    Sure, the global vision for the organization now comes from Derek Falvey. There was a lot of oversight and evaluation in his first season. How that vision was forwarded to Molitor and from him to the players is how Molitor’s delegation abilities will likely be evaluated.

    #4 Leadership

    It’s a very broad term and ties to the areas above, but Molitor was the leader. He seemed to understand the strengths of his players and coaches and worked with them individually to bring out their best. He showed good patience through player struggles, delegated work to his coaches and motivated the players. Several players had tough stretches and yet look at how many Twins players had breakout years or returned to form.

    Any worker will respond best to a boss who they believe is real, is authentic. They need to believe that their boss has their back and truly cares about them. They need to know that their boss has been where they are. They need to believe that their boss (manager) is working as hard at his craft and understanding the game and preparing as they are. They want to know that he has a passion for what he does and a will to be great.

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    Those four characteristics are filled with things that we as fans can’t know. We don’t know how Molitor would grade in these categories. We see pieces of them when FSN shows him in the dugout. We get snippets of Molitor’s personality and thought-process from his post-game interviews or the quotes he provides to the media before and after the games.

    We can’t see what is happening behind the scenes, but we do see what happens in a game, at least on the field.

    We can see the lineups every day. Obviously. But that gives us 162 (and with the Wild Card game, 163) data points. While we aren’t going to agree with every spot in every lineup, there can be trends. Brian Dozier stayed in the leadoff role. Joe Mauer was primarily batting second. After that, it would change from month to month, week to week and sometimes game by game. Molitor was clearly developing and showing a willingness to go with the hot hand, to play matchups, to break up lefties, to use platoon splits and more. He gave Jorge Polanco four games off and had him working on things ,and when he returned to the lineup, he took off. By season’s end, he often had Polanco, Rosario, Escobar and Buxton hitting 3-6. Think about that. That’s a willingness to adapt. Of course there are several unknowns that go into it, such as family situations, minor illnesses, who is taking great rounds of batting practice or impressing the coaches with extra work.

    Bunting… yes, we all hate bunting. At least we hate bunting in most situations. The Twins bunted as much as (OK, more than) any team in baseball. How did the front office feel about that? Obviously Falvey, Levine, that analytics folks, Jeff Pickler were involved in those daily discussions, and I’m certain it would have come up in discussions, yet Molitor continued to bunt quite often. Does that mean that the front office approved of that strategy, or they could use it as a negative data point for Molitor? And even if it is, relative to everything else, how important is it?

    Many question Molitor’s bullpen usage, much as they questioned Ron Gardenhire’s bullpen usage. I wonder if Tom Kelly’s bullpen usage (or Sam Mele’s) would have been questioned to this extent had Twitter and other social media been around in those years. That’s pretty normal.

    To be fair, there were not a lot of givens in the Twins bullpen this year. Brandon Kintzler earned his closer’s role and did well. Taylor Rogers was fantastic against lefties and righties in a great first half. He probably was used too much, but things were going so well. It took Molitor a few too many outings to realize that his splits against right-handers caught up to the mean, but that’s also understandable. Molitor stood behind Matt Belisle through his early-season struggles and that paid off. He didn’t use Trevor Hildenberger or Alan Busenitz in high-leverage situations for a while, but as they got the job done in low-leverage situations, Molitor trusted them more and they responded well. Over 162 games, it’s going to be impossible for any manager to use a bullpen in an ideal manner. And, how much of a role does (or should) the pitching coach have in bullpen assignments?

    These are just some of the in-game decisions that a manager can be judged upon, and even for each of them we don’t necessarily understand the full picture.

    So, Derek Falvey and Thad Levine have a tough decision to make. Or maybe they don’t. What do you think? Should Paul Molitor be brought back? Should Paul Molitor be brought back? Will he? At this point, only Falvey and Levine know, but the rest of us will learn soon. If there’s one thing I know, it’s that the Twins front office has given it more thought and likely had many more data points than we do.

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    whats the simple explantion of Insantity:   doing the same thing over and over again and expecting things to actually become Different?????  we have a new pair of young front office people, GM & Player Personnel  and what are we gong to do, of course we are, we are going to continue doing the same thing over and over again, and next year at this time, when it's ugly once again, oh crap, maybe the Twins should have done like the owners and front office of the now fastest most improved team in the MLB, the Astros, who's the Astro's current mgr,???? nobldy knows this young man, A J Hinch, new life new blood new direction results, 2=0 already pounding the Red Sox, 

    If the Twins successful sac bunt attempts is worse than their successful stolen base percentage, why not just go with straight steals?

     

    Of all the sac attempts, there sure better have been none that involved moving over Buxton and Buxton alone.

    A failed SB attempt costs you an out AND the baserunner.

    A failed sac bunt attempt only costs you an out.

    So a straight success % comparison doesn't quite work, you have to give extra weight to the caught stealing.

    A failed SB attempt costs you an out AND the baserunner.

    A failed sac bunt attempt only costs you an out.

    So a straight success % comparison doesn't quite work, you have to give extra weight to the caught stealing.

    depends on the situation, possible, though unlikely, for a double play on the sac attempt.

     

    For the sake of the discussion here, it all depends on the discussions Molitor and Levine have had. Do they agree on the strategy and tactics based on the data?

     

    I'm not sure they do, though that might be some wishcasting on my part. To me the data says station to station is the highest likelihood to score multiple runs in an inning/game/season. That's not to say you should never steal, just be selective.

     

    That is to say should almost never bunt. It's almost always a wasted out, even with Buxtons fastest right handed home to first time.

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    interesting, seems plausible but how would one go about orchestrating this devious plot?

    It is like a qualifying offer, except a hell of a lot cheaper. The plot has already ben executed. Molitor is taking his sweet time. He may not like the 1 year offer. It would seem that if he is thinking about it this long, that there is a good chance he will not accept and then the Twins didn't fire him, they didn't not make him an offer, and they can move on gracefully with the least amount of guff from fans if he makes the decision, and not them.

    It is like a qualifying offer, except a hell of a lot cheaper. The plot has already ben executed. Molitor is taking his sweet time. He may not like the 1 year offer. It would seem that if he is thinking about it this long, that there is a good chance he will not accept and then the Twins didn't fire him, they didn't not make him an offer, and they can move on gracefully with the least amount of guff from fans if he makes the decision, and not them.

    im tracking with you, it seems more plausible with what, 36-ish hours passed that this may well be what's happening.

     

    I still don't get the mechanics. Low ball offer leaves a lot of evidence and of course the counter offers and etc"

     

    A discussion with PM that goes "look Paul, we're making you an offer to save face for all of us, here's how it's gonna go...." has all kinds of issues, not least of which is Falvine trying to change the organization so offering the guy a different job in the org follows the same logic, and carries all of the same "club" mentality.

    It is like a qualifying offer, except a hell of a lot cheaper. The plot has already ben executed. Molitor is taking his sweet time. He may not like the 1 year offer. It would seem that if he is thinking about it this long, that there is a good chance he will not accept and then the Twins didn't fire him, they didn't not make him an offer, and they can move on gracefully with the least amount of guff from fans if he makes the decision, and not them.

    Lowballing would be worse from the front office than just moving on.

     

    whats the simple explantion of Insantity:   doing the same thing over and over again and expecting things to actually become Different?????  we have a new pair of young front office people, GM & Player Personnel  and what are we gong to do, of course we are, we are going to continue doing the same thing over and over again, and next year at this time, when it's ugly once again, oh crap, maybe the Twins should have done like the owners and front office of the now fastest most improved team in the MLB, the Astros, who's the Astro's current mgr,???? nobldy knows this young man, A J Hinch, new life new blood new direction results, 2=0 already pounding the Red Sox, 

    Arizona knew him well enough to fire him because the team was losing. Kirk Gibson  (an old for a manager type) takes over and Arizona does a worst to first.

    I doubt it will be a one-year contract. Even a two-year puts Molitor on the bubble as absorbing a year isn't beyond the budget or front office needs. A three-year would keep him in place for at least another season, sink or swim.

     

    I'm more interested in the workings on the coaching side of things, and the shakeup (if any) of the minor league staffs.

     

    Lowballing would be worse from the front office than just moving on.

     

    Nobody said anything about lowballing Molitor. Unless you consider one year a lowball. The money is probably in line with mediocre managers that took a team from 83 wins to record 103 losses (59 wins) in the span of one year, and then back to just a net 2 game gain over two years at 85 wins. One year is not lowballing. He has not earned anything more (if that), as much as a manager likes to have more than one year.

     

    This fascination with the improvement between 2016 and 2017 I find ridiculous. It is like bringing in your closer in the top of the 9th, handing him a 3 run lead, and he gives it up, loads the bases throws meat that results in a grand slam and 1 run behind...... and then he gets the win with a walk off two run homer by the home team in the bottom of the ninth. To me, it is a performance that is hardly something to get excited about.

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    Nobody said anything about lowballing Molitor. Unless you consider one year a lowball. The money is probably in line with mediocre managers that took a team from 83 wins to record 103 losses (59 wins) in the span of one year, and then back to just a net 2 game gain over two years at 85 wins. One year is not lowballing. He has not earned anything more (if that), as much as a manager likes to have more than one year.

     

    This fascination with the improvement between 2016 and 2017 I find ridiculous. It is like bringing in your closer in the top of the 9th, handing him a 3 run lead, and he gives it up, loads the bases throws meat that results in a grand slam and 1 run behind...... and then he gets the win with a walk off two run homer by the home team in the bottom of the ninth. To me, it is a performance that is hardly something to get excited about.

     

    Ignoring the Twins' record in the four seasons before Molitor took over I find ridiculous. But that's just me.

    Here is my take:

     

    a. By all evidence available out there, the Twins offered Molitor an one year contract for 2018

    b. Molitor is the second oldest manager in the majors (t-w/Showalter)

    c. If one can praise Molitor as the leader of the 2017 team, he/she should also credit him with the 2016 debacle.

    d. I think that this is a face saving move from all parties involved and will conclude with Molitor retiring & accepting another position in the organization, a few more coaches (Allen, & Vavra for starters) not returning and a full blown coaching search.

    I'm starting to think Falvey had no choice but to make an offer to Molitor, because he wouldn't have been able to explain letting him go to his boss, Jim Pohlad. A one year deal with a transition plan might make the best sense for the team, but it's probably hard for a competitive person known as The Ignitor to get his head around the idea of working for a year, knowing he'll be done at the end of it. He must believe that he is the right person to make the Twins champions and probably has a hard time accepting that his role would be to set up someone else as a champion. Edited by Deduno Abides

     

    Ignoring the Twins' record in the four seasons before Molitor took over I find ridiculous. But that's just me.

     

    Then lets look at it. From 2011 to 2014, the Twins won 63, 66, 66, 70 games. (The Astros, 56, 55, 51, 70). Many on these boards thought that the Twins should have improved to 74-76 wins in 2014. 2014 ended with the Astros and Twins having identical records of 70-92. The Twins were getting better each year, no? Very slowly. Then, in 2015, an improvement that had been in the works (surely, right?) and the Twins new manager inherited that, and improved 13 games to 83-79. Probably unfair to continue to look at the Astros as a comparison from 2015 on. I don't know why, but let's drop that. I still find the 59-103 2016 hard to ignore. And I don't, just as I wasn't ignoring the history of 2011-2014, even if it was not reviewed, again, here. So now it was, again.

     

    The point to me is, that Molitor is having difficulty accepting the offer of employment, for whatever reasons. It seems to be his hand to play, and there was a net gain of 2 games from 2015 to 2017. That is history.

    Edited by h2oface

     

    Then lets look at it. From 2011 to 2014, the Twins won 63, 66, 66, 70 games. (The Astros, 56, 55, 51, 70). Many on these boards thought that the Twins should have improved to 74-76 wins in 2014. 2014 ended with the Astros and Twins having identical records of 70-92. The Twins were getting better each year, no? Very slowly. Then, in 2015, an improvement that had been in the works (surely, right?) and the Twins new manager inherited that, and improved 13 games to 83-79. Probably unfair to continue to look at the Astros as a comparison from 2015 on. I don't know why, but let's drop that. I still find the 59-103 2016 hard to ignore. And I don't, just as I wasn't ignoring the history of 2011-2014, even if it was not reviewed, again, here. So now it was, again.

     

    The point to me is, that Molitor is having difficulty accepting the offer of employment, for whatever reasons. It seems to be his hand to play, and there was a net gain of 2 games from 2015 to 2017. That is history.

    History would also say that over three years Molitor's teams have a net gain of 15 games over the previous manager's last season.  Of course that would also imply that a team's record is due to only the actions of the manager.

     

    Then lets look at it. From 2011 to 2014, the Twins won 63, 66, 66, 70 games. (The Astros, 56, 55, 51, 70). Many on these boards thought that the Twins should have improved to 74-76 wins in 2014. 2014 ended with the Astros and Twins having identical records of 70-92. The Twins were getting better each year, no? Very slowly. Then, in 2015, an improvement that had been in the works (surely, right?) and the Twins new manager inherited that, and improved 13 games to 83-79. Probably unfair to continue to look at the Astros as a comparison from 2015 on. I don't know why, but let's drop that. I still find the 59-103 2016 hard to ignore. And I don't, just as I wasn't ignoring the history of 2011-2014, even if it was not reviewed, again, here. So now it was, again.

     

    The point to me is, that Molitor is having difficulty accepting the offer of employment, for whatever reasons. It seems to be his hand to play, and there was a net gain of 2 games from 2015 to 2017. That is history.

     

    Yeah, I really don't know what you're talking about in regards to the Astros, but it seems what you're trying to do is say the 13-win improvement from 2014 to 2015 shouldn't count towards Molitor's "net win" tally. Sorry, but you can't reasonably do that. If you insist on using "net wins" as a way to measure a manager's abilities, the correct number (as old nurse pointed out) is +15.   

    Nobody said anything about lowballing Molitor. Unless you consider one year a lowball. The money is probably in line with mediocre managers that took a team from 83 wins to record 103 losses (59 wins) in the span of one year, and then back to just a net 2 game gain over two years at 85 wins. One year is not lowballing. He has not earned anything more (if that), as much as a manager likes to have more than one year.

     

    This fascination with the improvement between 2016 and 2017 I find ridiculous. It is like bringing in your closer in the top of the 9th, handing him a 3 run lead, and he gives it up, loads the bases throws meat that results in a grand slam and 1 run behind...... and then he gets the win with a walk off two run homer by the home team in the bottom of the ninth. To me, it is a performance that is hardly something to get excited about.

    A 1 year offer is a lowball offer. If that's all the front office is willing to offer, they'd be better off moving on.

    I’m curious to know where some are getting the idea that the Twins offered Molitor a one year deal. The strib and LEN 3 says they are working toward a multi-year deal and likely at this point discussing the rest of the staff.

    Wishful thinking?

     

    Yeah, I really don't know what you're talking about in regards to the Astros, but it seems what you're trying to do is say the 13-win improvement from 2014 to 2015 shouldn't count towards Molitor's "net win" tally. Sorry, but you can't reasonably do that. If you insist on using "net wins" as a way to measure a manager's abilities, the correct number (as old nurse pointed out) is +15.   

     

    I think you know what I was getting at comparing the Twins progression to the Astros...... but if not, I can't help you. We can go ahead and include 2015 and say +15 games in 3 years. Fine. I think much more was expected. I know I did. I know I certainly didn't expect a 103 loss season in 2016. We will continue to disagree on our opinion about keeping Molitor, and we with both live with the eventual result, whatever it is.

    Edited by h2oface

    Does Molitor want to continue managing?  I assume he is a relatively wealthy person from his playing days and is still pretty young.  As much as I love baseball, if I were in my 50's, retired and rich I wouldn't want to manage a baseball team.  As cool as it would be for while, the season is long.  And it is during the best months of Minnesota.  Maybe he really is trying to decide do I want to commit to 3-4 more years of traveling every week from March-October.  He could be doing a lot of other things that might be more fun.  But he might just love being around the game and want even more years.  

    Does Molitor want to continue managing?  I assume he is a relatively wealthy person from his playing days and is still pretty young.  As much as I love baseball, if I were in my 50's, retired and rich I wouldn't want to manage a baseball team.  As cool as it would be for while, the season is long.  And it is during the best months of Minnesota.  Maybe he really is trying to decide do I want to commit to 3-4 more years of traveling every week from March-October.  He could be doing a lot of other things that might be more fun.  But he might just love being around the game and want even more years.

     

    Molitor is 61, in case you didn't know that. I agree with the rest of what you said though. How much longer does he want to do this? I think most retire in their early 60s at the latest. Guys like Jim Leyland seem like the exception.

    Does Molitor want to continue managing? I assume he is a relatively wealthy person from his playing days and is still pretty young. As much as I love baseball, if I were in my 50's, retired and rich I wouldn't want to manage a baseball team. As cool as it would be for while, the season is long. And it is during the best months of Minnesota. Maybe he really is trying to decide do I want to commit to 3-4 more years of traveling every week from March-October. He could be doing a lot of other things that might be more fun. But he might just love being around the game and want even more years.

    You do realize Molitor is over 60, right? You said, “in my 50s”.

    The point to me is, that Molitor is having difficulty accepting the offer of employment, for whatever reasons. It seems to be his hand to play, ....

    This is a different narrative than how this line of discussion started. Initially you posited that Falvine was trying to save face but get away from Molitor.

     

    Now it's all in Molitor's hands?

     

    Agreed, the time this is taking to work through indicates a sticking point in what should be a pretty routine contract negotiation.

     

    As others have said, at this point I believe Molitor might be mulling over retirement.

    Edited by Sconnie

     

    You do realize Molitor is over 60, right? You said, “in my 50s”.

    He is even older than I realized.  I was thinking he was like late 50's.  Even more reason to ask the question, does he want to continue the grind of a full season?  Being the spring training guy who gets to go the Florida in February and March sounds much better than managing every. single. day.  But maybe this is something he loves to do.

     

    I think you know what I was getting at comparing the Twins progression to the Astros...... but if not, I can't help you. We can go ahead and include 2015 and say +15 games in 3 years. Fine. I think much more was expected. I know I did. I know I certainly didn't expect a 103 loss season in 2016. We will continue to disagree on our opinion about keeping Molitor, and we with both live with the eventual result, whatever it is.

    Houston had a 4 year head start at being mediocre, 2 year head start at being really bad. 2 years ago the  playofs, last year they missed the playoffs. So, in 2019 the Twins darn well be really good  according to the Houston model.

     

     

    Does Molitor want to continue managing?  I assume he is a relatively wealthy person from his playing days and is still pretty young.  As much as I love baseball, if I were in my 50's, retired and rich I wouldn't want to manage a baseball team.  As cool as it would be for while, the season is long.  And it is during the best months of Minnesota.  Maybe he really is trying to decide do I want to commit to 3-4 more years of traveling every week from March-October.  He could be doing a lot of other things that might be more fun.  But he might just love being around the game and want even more years.  

    Molitor grossed 40 million as a player. Whatever taxes, agents, early partying, child support and ex wives took would be anyone's guess.  Like many others, being around baseball has been his life. Beeing a competitor, he stayed in the game.

    I would be really surprised if he was weighing retirement. I doubt he wants to go for another decade, but he has lead this squad to a nice turnaround, got into the playoffs and is establishing a nice foundation for the next couple of years. Why would he walk away now? He's not Moses.

     

    This is a different narrative than how this line of discussion started. Initially you posited that Falvine was trying to save face but get away from Molitor.

    Now it's all in Molitor's hands?

    Agreed, the time this is taking to work through indicates a sticking point in what should be a pretty routine contract negotiation.

    As others have said, at this point I believe Molitor might be mulling over retirement.

     

    Time. 

     

    Right, initially I quoted and posted, and agreed with Thyros' take. I still do. And IF it is a one year offer...... like a qualifying offer..... it save's face, and now it is up to Molitor to accept or reject (or to counter and negotiate), and in his hands... his ball park. When there was no word of it on Friday press day, as suggested when those who like to be first (and maybe correct, maybe not) had reported, and quite a bit of time has now passed, it is getting to be quite interesting, eh? It is kind of like buying a house. The offer has been made. If one does anything other than completely accept the offer, and makes one slight change, they have rejected the offer and made the seller an offer, and there is still no contract. And so forth.

     

    Perhaps he is contemplating retirement, which was also part of the 4 point Thyros take. Perhaps he is negotiating and there is some countering going on, and he wants more time or money. So we should know this week, one would think. Sooner than never.

    Edited by h2oface

    I'm starting to think LEN3 might have jumped the gun a little in saying the whole staff will be back. They won't announce an extension for Molitor until the coaching staff is in place.

     

    If there really was a problem with Molitor and he might not be coming back, I think some stuff would be leaking to test the waters and prepare the fanbase.




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