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    Greatest Twins Teams of All Time: 1965


    Matt Braun

    Join us in argument as we count down the greatest Twins teams in history, as voted on by the Twins Daily writers. Today: the second-ranked team.

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    Overview
    The early '60s Twins were shockingly talented for a team that had freshly arrived in a new city. The 1961 team—the first one officially known as “the Twins”—featured two future MVPs in the lineup (Harmon Killebrew and Zoilo Versalles), and an eventual Hall-of-Famer in the rotation (Jim Kaat). Times were pretty good, better than they should have been.

    But Mickey Mantle was smack dab in the middle of his goliath destruction of AL pitching, and the rest of the team around him was pretty good. Those Yankees won the pennant every year from 1960-1964, often cracking 100 wins in the process. They rejected a pair of solid Twins squads in 1962 and 1963, and a down year in 1964 meant the team never came close to a serious run at the World Series. So, with oodles of talent—and enough classic names to fill a history book—the 1965 Twins set off on their greatest adventure yet, decimating the league with shocking efficiency. 

    Lineup
    Minnesota saw seven separate regulars post an OPS+ of at least 115 on their way to scoring nearly 100 runs more than their closest AL competitor*. Killebrew led the group with a pedestrian-for-him 145 mark, while Tony Oliva finished just a few points lower at 141. Yes, how new: a 1960s Twins team had Killebrew and Oliva as the best contributors. 

    What did stand out about this team was the breadth of stud hitters behind those two. Don Mincherone of the underappreciated sluggers of his time—cracked 22 home runs and led the league in intentional walks with 15. Not bad for a guy who was almost strictly a pinch-hitter until June. Earl Battey was his typical, reliable self, enjoying the 3rd-best OPS+ of his career (119). Bob Allison was much the same—although his numbers did dip from the skyscraping highs they stood at the two years prior.

    And then there was Jimmie Hall. Hall has been lost to time somewhat, forgotten in the great churn of baseball players. The ones who remember him are few and likely don’t find themselves in the company of people who care much to know about him. But, dammit, he owns one of the most fascinating career arcs in baseball history. 

    Norm King, writing for SABR, briefly summarizes Hall’s odyssey: “Hall burst on the scene with a bang with the Minnesota Twins in 1963. Actually, he had 33 of them, which broke Ted Williams’s AL record for home runs by a first-year player who had never batted in his rookie year. Yes, THAT Ted Williams! But after five seasons that ranged from respectable to excellent, Hall hit seven home runs in his last three campaigns and then disappeared from the game.”**

    Hall was still in the midst of that great run in 1965; he essentially matched his line from the previous year but also added 14 steals and sliced a solid chunk off his strikeout rate.

    But the man of the year was Zoilo Versalles. He reached his baseball apex, leading the league in runs, doubles, triples, and total bases while playing Gold Glove defense at shortstop. He also stole 27 bases, because why the hell not? In all but seven games, Versalles was the first Twin the opposing starting pitcher battled that day.

    Oh, and Versalles is perhaps an even more bizarre case than Hall. Steve Treder dedicated an extended piece at The Hardball Times to ancillary figures in the margins of baseball's strange sudden drop-offs, with Versalles serving as his main character (and Hall as a sidekick). He writes: “[1965] was a lofty perch, and Versalles’ fall was immediate and sickening. In 1966, he saw his batting average drop by 24 points while producing fewer than half as many extra-base hits as in ’65: his Isolated Power went from .189 to .095. He went from a 27-for-32 base stealer to 10-for-22. He went from 32 Win Shares to 12. And he was just getting started.”*** Two years later, Zoilo was a Dodger, and three years after that, he took his final at-bat in the big leagues. 

    Pitching
    The Twins weren’t as great at pitching as they were at hitting, but they were close. Their 114 team ERA+ was the 4th-best in the majors, and the second-best in the AL, only just beaten by the Orioles. The rotation saw one of the better years of Jim Kaat’s Hall-of-Fame career. Mudcat Grant backed him up with his second (and final) All-Star season; he won 21 games and finished 6th in the MVP vote despite a pedestrian ERA by his standards. 

    The rest of the starting staff was an assortment of chewed gum and sawdust, a smorgasbord of arms used whenever manager Sam Mele needed the man behind the ligament to eat innings for him.

    The horribly underrated and typically excellent Camilo Pascual toughed through shoulder tightness—and a nearly three-month-long run without a win—to toss “just” 156 frames. The injury helped push veteran Jim Perry into the starting rotation (where he probably should have been), and he excelled, carrying a 2.63 ERA, the third-lowest of his career. The search for arms was desperate enough that eclectic names like Dwight Siebler and Mel Nelson earned starts as Mele tried anything to get his staff going.

    Fortunately, the manager knew he had two studs at the back of his bullpen: Johnny Klippstein and Al Worthington. The two had been big leaguers since the Truman and Eisenhower administrations, respectively. Worthington—a man of such conviction that one of his former employers once jettisoned the righty for disagreeing with their sign-stealing system—joined Minnesota as a spry 35-year-old the previous season and would continue to pitch very effectively for the team into his age 40 seasons.*** The now 94-year-old is still kicking and was recently inducted into the Virginia Baseball Coaches Association Hall-of-Fame for his work at Liberty College.**** Klippstein also became a Twin in 1964; 1965 was his best full season with the team; he held a 2.24 ERA and occasionally spelled Worthington in closing situations.

    Postseason
    Because this was 1965, the Twins had a simple playoff itinerary: go play the Dodgers for the World Series. LA enjoyed the late-blooming talents of Maury Wills, the truncated Hall-of-Fame arm of Don Drysdale, and the rookie of the year credentials of Jim Lefebvre. But, every other player was window dressing to the resplendent, radiant Sandy Koufax. Baseball had never seen a pitcher so dominant since Cy Young walked off the mound for the final time. His regal excellence shone as brightly in 1965 as they had in any other year; it would take Nolan Ryan’s superhuman power for a mortal to best Koufax’s strikeout total from this season (382). He threw MLB's eighth perfect game just one month prior. 

    Minnesota claimed the first two games in outstanding fashion. An 8-2 drumming of Drysdale started the series before the team outlasted Koufax in Game Two, instead cracking Ron Perranoski for a trio of runs to back up Kaat in a complete game. 

    LA won the next three games in their home—all of them as perplexingly convincing as the victories the Twins earned. Game Six knotted the series when Bob Allison and Mudcat Grant—yes, the pitcher—both crushed homers in a Grant complete game, setting up Game Seven as the ultimate do-or-die. Unfortunately for the Twins, Koufax was still very much an outlandish pitching force; he struck out 10 in a complete game shutout to claim the Dodgers’ third championship since moving west.

    Concluding Thoughts
    I think there’s a very strong argument this team should be #1. No Twins team has won more regular season games, and their offense, relative to the league average, was tremendous. They didn’t even get a full season out of Harmon Killebrew! It didn’t matter; Minnesota still lapped the AL field in scoring.

    Sure, they could have pitched better. If you’re splitting hairs, like we have to do in this endeavor, then Kaat is merely a solid ace, not a Frank Viola-type capable of constantly single-handedly shutting down a game. Their best bet for that player may have actually been Jim Perry, who absolutely should have started more than he did. 

    Still, 102 wins and by far the best run differential in MLB sure looks like an all-time team to me. I think if they win that Game Seven, then there really isn’t a discussion. They take the mantle over any other team. So, should we let one simple game stand between appreciating greatness and ranking a 95-win team above them? I don’t know. 

     

    "The legends on that team are just remarkable. Killebrew. Oliva. Allison. Zoilo's MVP season, which could have been Tony O's. Kaat was great. Grant was incredible. Again, just a legendary group. And they won 102 games." -Seth Stohs

    "It was before my time, but I can’t imagine how exciting it must have been to go from not having Major League Baseball in Minnesota to hosting the World Series in less than five years. This team won 102 games, still a franchise record. Zoilo Versalles and Tony Olive finished 1-2 in AL MVP voting. If it wasn’t for Sandy Koufax, this team would have been world champs and probably in the top spot on this list." -Tom Froemming

    "This is probably the best Twins team, but they didn't win the World Series, which I think rightfully holds a lot of weight. If this team had won the World Series, they likely would have been number one of this list." -Cody Schoenmann 

    Previous Entries
    #10 - 2010
    #9 - 2023
    #8 - 2002
    #7 - 1970
    #6 - 2019
    #5 - 2006
    #4 - 1969
    #3 - 1987
    Honorable Mentions      

    Sources

    *774, to be exact. Detroit scored 680. 

    King, Norm, "Jimmie Hall," SABR.

    Tredder, Steve, "Of Fades, Flops, and Zoilo," The Hardball Times, November 23rd, 2004.

    Laurila, David, "Sunday Notes: Kody Clemens Has Grown Into His Pop," Fangraphs, February 13th, 2022.

    Liberty Flames, "Former Liberty Head Baseball Coach Al Worthington to be Inducted into the VBCA Hall of Fame," December 7th, 2023.

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    We will again, agree to disagree BOM.  This is more a discussion of statistics and how "complete" a team is.  If this was just about championships" we would be having a discussion of only 1987 and 1991.  

    The 1965 Twins were certainly one of the more "complete" teams in the history of the Twins.  Stellar hitting, stellar pitching, an MVP and a runner-up MVP, and a couple of reliable guys in the bullpen.  How much better they could have been if Killebrew hadn't been injured and missed about half the season is also an interesting exercise.  

    And when you lose a Game #7 to Sandy Koufax it's tough to accept that 1965 shouldn't at least be #2 (behind 1991).  

    The 1906 Chicago Cubs won 116 games as did the 2001 Seattle Mariners. Neither team won the World Series in that year. 

    Everyone will have their own criteria for the greatest teams of all time or for any particular club. It is a tough crowd that only allows the winners of the World Series to be on the top of the lists, but to each their own.

    I can only speak for myself and choose the 1965 Minnesota Twins as the best team in club history. I have watched and listened to all of the Twins squads over the years. Because my list (if I made one) would be based on which teams i felt were the best teams, neither the 1987 team or the 1991 team would make my top ten. I fully understand why others would make their choices of "best" on different criteria. I sold beer at the Dome from the first game until the 1990s and rarely missed a pitch except when I ran to gather a new tray. I saw a ton of baseball. I also had season tickets a couple of years later on.

    The articles, discussions, and justifications are all a ton of fun. It is a smile to think back on the really good teams and an "oh jeez" to think back on some of the weaker rosters. 

    57 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

    The 1906 Chicago Cubs won 116 games as did the 2001 Seattle Mariners. Neither team won the World Series in that year. 

    Everyone will have their own criteria for the greatest teams of all time or for any particular club. It is a tough crowd that only allows the winners of the World Series to be on the top of the lists, but to each their own.

    I can only speak for myself and choose the 1965 Minnesota Twins as the best team in club history. I have watched and listened to all of the Twins squads over the years. Because my list (if I made one) would be based on which teams i felt were the best teams, neither the 1987 team or the 1991 team would make my top ten. I fully understand why others would make their choices of "best" on different criteria. I sold beer at the Dome from the first game until the 1990s and rarely missed a pitch except when I ran to gather a new tray. I saw a ton of baseball. I also had season tickets a couple of years later on.

    The articles, discussions, and justifications are all a ton of fun. It is a smile to think back on the really good teams and an "oh jeez" to think back on some of the weaker rosters.

    From the first column in this series, "What defines “greatest?” I let our voters decide; no boundary or guideline came from me. Perhaps some writers valued regular season performance, playoff success, individual accomplishments, run differential, or just how much fun it was to watch said team in their consideration. Individual ballots reflected their personality to a degree, but I think the consensus represents a solid, well-rounded group touching on numerous critical eras for the team."

    We are talking greatest not best. Greatness is World Series championships. If you are looking at best regular season teams then 1965 is 1 and 2019 is 2. Yes, the 1987 team is most likely not in the top 10 best regular season teams and 1991 is somewhere at the bottom of that mix. Without the 1987 and 1991 World Series championships, the Twins franchise would be a laughingstock on par with the Minnesota Vikings.

    1991 and 1987 are at the top of my list.

    I love the memory lane aspect of these rankings. I was born in 1965, so my recollections of the 60's and very early 70's teams is really just what my dad talks about, and what I read in various places. So I have more of an emotional attachment to teams from the mid 70's on, when I began to follow and listen to the Twins. So I absolutely understand the wide variety of opinions as to who is the best and where teams should rank, and what criteria should b used. 

    But this team does feel like it should be in the top 5...at least...based on record and dominance.  So I won't argue whether being #2 is accurate or not, it's at least worthy of consideration I'd think.

    7 minutes ago, theBOMisthebomb said:

    From the first column in this series, "What defines “greatest?” I let our voters decide; no boundary or guideline came from me. Perhaps some writers valued regular season performance, playoff success, individual accomplishments, run differential, or just how much fun it was to watch said team in their consideration. Individual ballots reflected their personality to a degree, but I think the consensus represents a solid, well-rounded group touching on numerous critical eras for the team."

    We are talking greatest not best. Greatness is World Series championships. If you are looking at best regular season teams then 1965 is 1 and 2019 is 2. Yes, the 1987 team is most likely not in the top 10 best regular season teams and 1991 is somewhere at the bottom of that mix. Without the 1987 and 1991 World Series championships, the Twins franchise would be a laughingstock on par with the Minnesota Vikings.

    1991 and 1987 are at the top of my list.

    We just disagree on greatest, no big deal.

    Fans only remember  the team that won , never the runner up ...

    Twins fans remember the 65 Twins all day , every day ...

    They had a tremendous year and they won so many games in the ninth inning coming from behind  ...

    They had the talent in the whole roster , you believed they could take the field and win every game ...

    The best game 7 world series was Morris and his 10 inning shutout  , the second best game 7 world series was losing to sandy Koufax in 1965 and the 3rd best game 7 was the 1987 world series with viola  winning the series MVP...

    The last 3 greatest Twins  teams are in correct order , see you tomorrow night for game 7 , 1991 ...

    1 minute ago, Blyleven2011 said:

    Fans only remember  the team that won , never the runner up ...

    The three teams that I remember the best are probably the 1969 & 1970 Twins and then the 1977 Twins. I would not put the 1977 team in a top ten but man were they a fun to watch. Met Stadium was just a big erector set but fun for baseball. You could slide two beers in each arm of a light coat and walk in free after the third inning. Or you could go early, buy a cheap seat and sit wherever you wanted as long as you stayed away from the most prime seats where a pile of guys didn't belong. 1977 was a fun summer.

    9 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

    The three teams that I remember the best are probably the 1969 & 1970 Twins and then the 1977 Twins. I would not put the 1977 team in a top ten but man were they a fun to watch. Met Stadium was just a big erector set but fun for baseball. You could slide two beers in each arm of a light coat and walk in free after the third inning. Or you could go early, buy a cheap seat and sit wherever you wanted as long as you stayed away from the most prime seats where a pile of guys didn't belong. 1977 was a fun summer.

    Yes , I agree to all , we were the cheap seats and moved wherever we wanted and then after 5 innings they never kicked us out of the good seats the remainder of the game  ... 

    It's baseball  and all the games are fun , except for 2021 and 2022 seasons , they were definitely total system failure  , even 2016 with 103 losses was a good year as they actually  lost alot of close competitive games that were more entertaining than 2021 and 2022 ...

    Unfortunately, so many of the readers on this site just aren't old enough to remember that team. That was almost 60 years ago. It was my 1st ever WS to go to. (It was so cool to get out of school early). I feel if the 65 team was more recent people would value it higher. IMHO it was the best Twins team ever!

    You got it right.   The 1987 team turned it on in the playoffs. They still are ranked #4 by me.    They were benefited by a rib cage injury to St Louis 3B Terry Pendleton, which limited him to a DH role or not being in the lineup at all.   Pendleton had been playing his best season till he was hurt. 
    My rankings:

    1991 - 1965 - 1969 - 1987 - 2019 - 2006 - 1970 - 2023 - 2009 - 2010 

    Honorable mentions - 1977, 1967 and 1962

    I was born in 1958, so my heart is always with those 1965, 1969 and 1970 Twins teams.  The 1977 team was also really fun to watch or listen to Herb Carneal call the games on radio.  They didn't have much pitching, but Carew had his greatest season, winning the MVP and hitting .388.  Larry Hisle led the A.L. in RBI and mashed 28 HR's while hitting .302.  Hisle also stole over 20 bases.

    Lyman Bostock hit .336 and had excellent extra base hit power with 36 doubles, 12 triples and 14 HR's.  He also scored 104 runs and drove in 90.  Unfortunately, Bostock was gone from the Twins for 1978, playing for the Angels and before the season was over, he was gone from this world, victim of a drive by shooting in Gary, Indiana.  And Glenn Adams played some OF and DH against RHP and hit .338 in 269 AB's. 

    Those Twins were knocking the ball all over the ballpark.

    The 1987 and 1991 teams were great and won World Series Championships.  1987 barley had 3 pitchers but a power-laden lineup.  1991 had much better pitching, but lacked the thump of "traditional" Twins teams.  2019 had POWER throughout the lineup but very little strength on the mound.  The best Twins teams since 1991 were the 2004-2009 teams that had some very impressive individual talent.  Two MVP's and a 2-time (should have been 3-time) Cy young award winner.  But ownership never made a big deadline deal to put them fully over the top.  When your "Claim to Fame" as a FO is that you delivered SHANNON STEWART that says it all.   

    7 minutes ago, TopGunn#22 said:

    But ownership never made a big deadline deal

    To be fair, the sons and grandchildren like baseball to varying degrees. Carl didn't care for baseball. He bought the team for his wife and it was a profitable gift too. The quality of the teams was all on the front office.

    On 2/6/2024 at 12:31 AM, TopGunn#22 said:

    I was born in 1958, so my heart is always with those 1965, 1969 and 1970 Twins teams.  The 1977 team was also really fun to watch or listen to Herb Carneal call the games on radio.  They didn't have much pitching, but Carew had his greatest season, winning the MVP and hitting .388.  Larry Hisle led the A.L. in RBI and mashed 28 HR's while hitting .302.  Hisle also stole over 20 bases.

    Lyman Bostock hit .336 and had excellent extra base hit power with 36 doubles, 12 triples and 14 HR's.  He also scored 104 runs and drove in 90.  Unfortunately, Bostock was gone from the Twins for 1978, playing for the Angels and before the season was over, he was gone from this world, victim of a drive by shooting in Gary, Indiana.  And Glenn Adams played some OF and DH against RHP and hit .338 in 269 AB's. 

    Those Twins were knocking the ball all over the ballpark.

    The 1987 and 1991 teams were great and won World Series Championships.  1987 barley had 3 pitchers but a power-laden lineup.  1991 had much better pitching, but lacked the thump of "traditional" Twins teams.  2019 had POWER throughout the lineup but very little strength on the mound.  The best Twins teams since 1991 were the 2004-2009 teams that had some very impressive individual talent.  Two MVP's and a 2-time (should have been 3-time) Cy young award winner.  But ownership never made a big deadline deal to put them fully over the top.  When your "Claim to Fame" as a FO is that you delivered SHANNON STEWART that says it all.   

    Likewise. 

    '65 was the first Twins team I was aware of, my first baseball memory, there in Mrs. Loerch's 1st grade class on the ND plains.  Aren't those kid memories great, in the sense that, well, we didn't win this one, but we'll get the next one and the one after that....  Heh...

    It's tight, but I gotta go with 65 as the top.  69 probably second, and 67 and 70 right there as well.  And then....  well, 77 was a blip in a long, flat line, but we started cranking up again in 84, and you could see it coming.  

    There's my synopsis of the early years.  It might be coloured by the mist of sweet memory, but keep in mind, that 1965 was also the year the Yankees began to SUCK, BIG TIME, and for a long time, (until Reggie came along). So there's that, too.



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