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    Spring Training Audio Diary: Six-Man Rotation Discussions


    John Bonnes

    FORT MYERS - Suddenly we have two dark horse candidates to make the Opening Day Roster.

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    Today's exclusive Caretaker-only audio content from John Bonnes at spring training includes:

    • There have at least been discussions about beginning the season with a six-man rotation. John discusses why the change of heart.
    • Recent injury updates could open a spot on the Opening Day roster, so we discuss the options including a dark horse candidate. 
    • An early look ahead at what the Twins will do to solidify their starting rotation in 2024. 
    • Why players opinions of the pitch clock have changed.
    • Sigh. Emilio Pagan is not having a good spring.

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    Didn't hear it but all I can say I don't like the idea of a 6 man rotation how baseball is today. This would have worked when starters actually went 7+ innings. 

    With starters rarely seeing the 6th inning now a team would probably burn out their bullpen quickly. The team would also need a very good bullpen to deal with this all the time.

    It may also cut down on the amount of bench players a team has to use.

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    Thanks John. It keeps snowing here, so you’re in a good spot.

    With only 2 days off in April, I don’t hate the idea of starting with a 6 man rotation. For me, it’s more important as to who is available in September than who’s starting in April. Maeda may still have something in the tank during a playoff run if we’re not asking him to make 10 starts in the first couple of months.

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    9 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

    I'd like Ober on the opening roster but I'm usually against a 6 man rotation. Especially in the beginning where teams can get by with a 4 man rotation. IMO there'd be too much time between turns & lose their rhythm. I'd prefer piggy-back Ober & save more the BP.

    You really think they can get by with a 4 man rotation in the beginning?  Between opening day and the end of May, the Twins play 56 games and have 7 days off.  To me, that doesn't sound ideal for a 4 man rotation.  Plus the pitchers are still building up arm strength.  A 5 man rotation is probably the best, but I would have no problem if they use a 6 man rotation.

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    I’d go with a 6 man rotation without blinking.  It’s a match made in heaven for this pitching staff.

    None of these guys, with the exception of Ryan, has been able to stay healthy. Maeda, Mahle, and Ober will all have innings limitations.  Adding an extra day in between starts can only help some of these guys.

    Also, wasting any of Ober’s limited number of innings in AAA is just absurd.  That’s an extremely poor use of a finite resource.

    There are some things that could be done outside of the box here as well.  Some of these guys can be used in tandem occasionally.  Especially early on with the guys with the limitations (like Maeda and Ober).  There seems to be this perception that if a certain process isn’t followed their arms will fall off.  

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    Ober is too good to not have pitch regularly. He’s also too fragile to burn up healthy innings in St. Paul! Have been a proponent in these forums since November hoping Maeda would be the long guy in Pen with Ober as our 5th starter.

    When Ober goes down or tires in July or sooner……Maeda could stretch out in 3-4 weeks & should still be down at 60-70 innings pitched, Max. at that point.

    We could do 6 starters and have guys go deeper knowing they have an extra 1-2 days between starts.

    I prefer a 5th day piggyback where Maeda & Ober split games…….this would really keep an 8 man Pen fresh for the other 4 days! Starter goes 4-5 innings and 2nd guy finishes game. May need an out or two from Pen in the transition/middle innings - may need a one inning closer? However it works, generally it’s a break for the Pen. Also, it keeps our two most fragile starter’s innings down through the year!! (18-25 innings a month)

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    I’m generally not a fan of a six man rotation, but this might be a team where that makes sense. All of the starters except Ryan have had injury problems. Moreover, I think it’s very unlikely that either Maeda or Ober will pitch more than 120 innings or so this year with each coming off of a major Injury and the few innings Ober threw last year. We only have two days off in April, but we do have five off in May. My thought is to start out with a six man rotation, and by roughly May 1, I suspect either one will have pitched their way out of that rotation or have some kind of injury issue. If the baseball gods are smiling down upon us, and all are healthy and pitching well, I say stick with it.

    Pagan seems pretty straightforward to me. He is not pitching well at all. Either put him on waivers with the idea of sending him to AAA or, if he has an option left, option him down. He needs to work his kinks out in the minor leagues if he can, not on the MLB roster. Getting rid of him also allows us to have a seven man bullpen that includes both Moran and Cole Sands, the latter as a Long reliever. 
     

    I’m a big believer in performance dictating use. It would be different if Pagán was having a poor ST after a couple of strong years. That’s not where we are. He hasn’t performed since 2019 and should be sent down to AAA to try to find his groove. I think he gets AAA instead of being released because of his $4 million contract.

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    17 hours ago, terrydactyls said:

    You really think they can get by with a 4 man rotation in the beginning?  Between opening day and the end of May, the Twins play 56 games and have 7 days off.  To me, that doesn't sound ideal for a 4 man rotation.  Plus the pitchers are still building up arm strength.  A 5 man rotation is probably the best, but I would have no problem if they use a 6 man rotation.

    I didn't say almost half the season, I said in "the beginning" which means the 1st couple of weeks. And I said "some teams" not specifying MN. I did not say I was in favor for a 4-man rotation for MN, actually I'm not. I also said that IMO a 6-man rotation is not beneficial and that I'm more in favor of a 5-man rotation with a type of piggy-back system. Please stop reading into stuff that I did not write. 

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    15 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

    I didn't say almost half the season, I said in "the beginning" which means the 1st couple of weeks. And I said "some teams" not specifying MN. I did not say I was in favor for a 4-man rotation for MN, actually I'm not. I also said that IMO a 6-man rotation is not beneficial and that I'm more in favor of a 5-man rotation with a type of piggy-back system. Please stop reading into stuff that I did not write. 

    Nice back track, doctor.

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