BILLS @ VIKES.....11 / 9 /26

[Parfigliano]

34-38 Monday night record.  An ugly loss due to an offensive offense.

[Mike Sixel]

Wentz EPA was negative one! 

Every play was worth negative one expected point. That's with two easy interceptions dropped. 

[Aggies7]

Fascinating to see if a move will be made 

[Mike Sixel]

 

 

[Aggies7]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

 

 

I was worried there would be turnovers, but I felt he could move the ball. Rare to see a pro athlete play scared like that. That’s exactly what he was. Right from the first pass

[Aggies7]

Was there ever a real competition to be the backup quarterback or was that all just a sham 

[Mike Sixel]

This all starts with to huge mistakes. Drafting McCarthy. And not having a GM immediately this off season. 

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Aggies7 said:

Was there ever a real competition to be the backup quarterback or was that all just a sham 

All the competition was a lie. Starter. Backup. 

[Mike Sixel]

Also, there were guys wide open all night. And the QB fumbled and threw two terrible picks. I'm not convinced KOC is bad at play design. 

[nicksaviking]

3 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Was there ever a real competition to be the backup quarterback or was that all just a sham 

Wentz always waited until the end of the summer to sign because he thought he might eek out a starting job if he waited (🤣🤣🤣🤣).

This year he signed in February. My bet is that the Vikings gave up on McCarthy before the offseason started and had planned for Wentz to be the #2 all along. With Wentz thinking he might get to be #1 (🤣🤣🤣🤣) if the projected Murray signing never happened.

[Aggies7]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

Also, there were guys wide open all night. And the QB fumbled and threw two terrible picks. I'm not convinced KOC is bad at play design. 

There were. The near interception in the third was especially egregious guy streaks wide open towards the sidelines and he never took his eyes off who he wanted to throw to and he threw it right to the linebacker 

[Aggies7]

I’d give up a  first round pick to get a quarterback. It could literally be the difference between 7-8 wins and 12 wins 

[mrmpls]

[nicksaviking]

7 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Also, there were guys wide open all night. And the QB fumbled and threw two terrible picks. I'm not convinced KOC is bad at play design. 

Some times. Other times it really feels like the play calls lack a rhythm, And I feel bad typing that since I can't describe it exactly.

But also, after the first fumble/pass it was clear that KOC was going to try to force feed Jefferson, and I really disliked that game plan. And I do think the Bills anticipated it all night long. 

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Some times. Other times it really feels like the play calls like a rhythm, And I feel bad typing that since I can't describe it exactly.

But also, after the first fumble/pass it was clear that KOC was going to try to force feed Jefferson, and I really disliked that game plan. And I do think the Bills anticipated it all night long. 

I didn't say I was convinced he was good at play calling, but it's hard to tell! On the other hand, if Wentz is your QB, run every play. 

[Aggies7]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

I didn't say I was convinced he was good at play calling, but it's hard to tell! On the other hand, if Wentz is your QB, run every play. 

Hard to run when they know you can’t pass. I wonder though, how many play action passes were called?? I don’t remember more than one or two?

[Aggies7]

 

[Mike Sixel]

Get some sleep in Minnesota! 

[Aggies7]

2 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Get some sleep in Minnesota! 

It’s midnight here and I can never go to bed shortly after a game. Especially if it’s bad. And this was bad.

[Aggies7]

Second worst QB game in Vikings history 

[Danchat]

It's truly incredible how hard this defense fights and can go toe-to-toe with top 5 offenses and embarrass them... just to watch the most incompetent offense from a group of players who have no business looking this bad. The Bills defense has been terrible this year! That's now like 4 or 5 top 10 defenses we've faced that have been made to look competent.

I'm not convinced a QB addition moves the needle that much, every QB KOC plays turns to dust and can't throw accurate passes. Do we really think Kirk will come in and play just like he is from the far superior Kubiak offense? The dude did just throw 3 picks against the 49ers.

[Mike Sixel]

7 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Second worst QB game in Vikings history 

This is available on bluesky. I think I even linked to it....

[Aggies7]

3 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

This is available on bluesky. I think I even linked to it....

Ha, I didn’t read further down. I saw it was the worse in the league this season. Didn’t click to see the other part.

[Aggies7]

4 minutes ago, Danchat said:

It's truly incredible how hard this defense fights and can go toe-to-toe with top 5 offenses and embarrass them... just to watch the most incompetent offense from a group of players who have no business looking this bad. The Bills defense has been terrible this year! That's now like 4 or 5 top 10 defenses we've faced that have been made to look competent.

I'm not convinced a QB addition moves the needle that much, every QB KOC plays turns to dust and can't throw accurate passes. Do we really think Kirk will come in and play just like he is from the far superior Kubiak offense? The dude did just throw 3 picks against the 49ers.

I think it would move it quite a bit. We talked about getting merely average QB play. We’re getting quite literally historically bad QB play. Not even 15 minutes TOP. It’s incredible the defense answered the bell continually until they just couldn’t anymore. Think of what another 10-15 minutes of offensive possession could have done.

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Aggies7 said:

I think it would move it quite a bit. We talked about getting merely average QB play. We’re getting quite literally historically bad QB play. Not even 15 minutes TOP. It’s incredible the defense answered the bell continually until they just couldn’t anymore. Think of what another 10-15 minutes of offensive possession could have done.

And the other team playing from behind, and knowing they have to score twenty some points against this defense.... The whole game changes. 

[Aggies7]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

And the other team playing from behind, and knowing they have to score twenty some points against this defense.... The whole game changes. 

Yep, last two games the opponent was able to run run run late. I haven’t looked at the numbers but I’m sure they don’t indicate the type of job the defense did.

It will be interesting to see if the locker room deteriorates into factions. If it hasn’t already.

[Aggies7]

I was wrong, we had 17 minutes TOP

 

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

I was wrong, we had 17 minutes TOP

 

Speechless..

[Parfigliano]

19 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

I was wrong, we had 17 minutes TOP

 

Lucky us.

[nicksaviking]

34 minutes ago, Danchat said:

It's truly incredible how hard this defense fights and can go toe-to-toe with top 5 offenses and embarrass them... just to watch the most incompetent offense from a group of players who have no business looking this bad. The Bills defense has been terrible this year! That's now like 4 or 5 top 10 defenses we've faced that have been made to look competent.

I'm not convinced a QB addition moves the needle that much, every QB KOC plays turns to dust and can't throw accurate passes. Do we really think Kirk will come in and play just like he is from the far superior Kubiak offense? The dude did just throw 3 picks against the 49ers.

I think you could argue it SHOULDN’T move the needle, but it absolutely would because people are desperate. Even a bad QB would move the needle.

I think to win a championship you do need to aim for an elite QB. But many on here are OK with a good season and a playoff win, and yes, I think that’s possible with Cousins. We’ve already seen this team beat the Bears and Packers, with the exact same QB we all want gone.