Article: Marketable Twins (2nd of two-part series)

[diehardtwinsfan]

We haven't discussed Deduno at all. It probably is silly to bring up as the guy doesn't have a ton of experience which may limit his trade value, but he has performed on big stages with the WBC championship game and shutting down the Yankees today. He isn't even arbitration eligible until 2016 and not a free agent until 2019 which is pretty nice since no one would have to be concerned with contract talks until he is in his late 30's. The controlability is a reason to keep him as well, but every time people discuss the future of the Twins rotaion, they nearly always omit him from discussion.

 

He's probably not worth a ton, but really, is there anyone to really compare his value to? I wonder.

 

I don't know if I would trade him personally. He's made good strides on the control aspect of things. The K's have dropped off quite a bit, but I'm also guessing that he needs one, he can return to whatever it is he was doing to get them. He's perfectly fine as a 5th starter for the time being to augment some of the better pitchers coming up through the system, and right now I'm more bullish on him than just about anyone else in the rotation (minus Gibson).

[diehardtwinsfan]

I found two Terry Ryan trades that sent cash with the player

 

Traded catcher A.J. Pierzynski and cash to the San Francisco Giants. Received pitchers Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, and Boof Bonser.

Under the Rule 5 Draft, the Twins sent minor leaguer Jared Camp and cash to the Florida Marlins in exchange for Johan Santana.

 

 

Interesting, considering those were by far the best trades Ryan ever made, and both might possibly be one of the 10 most lopsided trades of all time.

[ThePuck]

I found two Terry Ryan trades that sent cash with the player

 

Traded catcher A.J. Pierzynski and cash to the San Francisco Giants. Received pitchers Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, and Boof Bonser.

Under the Rule 5 Draft, the Twins sent minor leaguer Jared Camp and cash to the Florida Marlins in exchange for Johan Santana.

 

 

I'm pretty sure the Twins traded Camp FOR Santana and Cash.

 

'Back in 1999, Camp, a then rocket-throwing prospect, was traded from the Twins to the Florida Marlins for cash, and some dude named, Johan Santana.'

 

'After the 1999 major league season, he was left unprotected by the Houston Astros and eligible in the Rule 5 draft. The Minnesota Twins had the first pick that year, the Florida Marlins had the second. The Twins made a deal with the Marlins: the Twins would draft Jared Camp with their first pick and the Marlins would draft Santana. The teams would exchange the two players with the Twins receiving $50,000 to cover their pick.^[2][3]'

 

Thanks for the info on AJ though. So we have one example. Do we think he does it again with Morneau?

[Oxtung]

I'm pretty sure the Twins traded Camp FOR Santana and Cash.

 

'Back in 1999, Camp, a then rocket-throwing prospect, was traded from the Twins to the Florida Marlins for cash, and some dude named, Johan Santana.'

 

'After the 1999 major league season, he was left unprotected by the Houston Astros and eligible in the Rule 5 draft. The Minnesota Twins had the first pick that year, the Florida Marlins had the second. The Twins made a deal with the Marlins: the Twins would draft Jared Camp with their first pick and the Marlins would draft Santana. The teams would exchange the two players with the Twins receiving $50,000 to cover their pick.^[2][3]'

 

Thanks for the info on AJ though. So we have one example. Do we think he does it again with Morneau?

 

Baseball Reference confirms. Camp to Marlins for Santana + Cash.

[ScottyB]

Do the Twins have any minor leaguers who might end up as rule 5 next year who we could lose but might not be part of our future, that we could use as sweeteners in a trade? They might not bring much but could be used as chips to save us from paying full salaries of players we trade.

[Oxtung]

Do the Twins have any minor leaguers who might end up as rule 5 next year who we could lose but might not be part of our future, that we could use as sweeteners in a trade? They might not bring much but could be used as chips to save us from paying full salaries of players we trade.

 

Players eligible for the rule 5 draft include Jorge Polanco, Max Kepler, AJ Achter, Kennys Vargas, Logan Darnell, Alex Wimmers, Andrew Albers, Candido Pimentel, Angel Morales, Matt Hauser, Deibinson Romero, Nate Roberts, Daniel Ortiz, Manuel Soliman, Adrian Salcedo, Ryan O'Rourke, Tom Stuifbergen and Aaron Thompson. However I'm not sure there are many sweetners there that the Twins wouldn't want themselves. The Twins are relying on their prospects to bring them back to relevance and so trading any that might eventually help you seems unwise.

 

There are plenty of potential openings on the 40 man roster including: Wilkin Ramirez, Drew Butera, Colabello, Clete Thomas, Cole De Vries, BJ Hermsen, Mike Pelfrey, Jamey Carrol, Liam Hendriks, PJ Walters, Sam Deduno, Escobar or Florimon, Thielbar, Pedro Hernandez, Duensing, Swarzak and Danny Santana. Clearly some of these will be on the 2014 40 man roster but each of these players is vulnerable in one way or another IMO.

[jokin]

Players eligible for the rule 5 draft include Jorge Polanco, Max Kepler, AJ Achter, Kennys Vargas, Logan Darnell, Alex Wimmers, Andrew Albers, Candido Pimentel, Angel Morales, Matt Hauser, Deibinson Romero, Nate Roberts, Daniel Ortiz, Manuel Soliman, Adrian Salcedo, Ryan O'Rourke, Tom Stuifbergen and Aaron Thompson. However I'm not sure there are many sweetners there that the Twins wouldn't want themselves. The Twins are relying on their prospects to bring them back to relevance and so trading any that might eventually help you seems unwise.

 

There are plenty of potential openings on the 40 man roster including: Wilkin Ramirez, Drew Butera, Colabello, Clete Thomas, Cole De Vries, BJ Hermsen, Mike Pelfrey, Jamey Carrol, Liam Hendriks, PJ Walters, Sam Deduno, Escobar or Florimon, Thielbar, Pedro Hernandez, Duensing, Swarzak and Danny Santana. Clearly some of these will be on the 2014 40 man roster but each of these players is vulnerable in one way or another IMO.

 

PJ Walters has already passed through waivers.

[AlwaysinModeration]

I don't know if I would trade him personally. He's made good strides on the control aspect of things. The K's have dropped off quite a bit, but I'm also guessing that he needs one, he can return to whatever it is he was doing to get them. He's perfectly fine as a 5th starter for the time being to augment some of the better pitchers coming up through the system, and right now I'm more bullish on him than just about anyone else in the rotation (minus Gibson).

 

This. Compelling argument to keep him, he may turn into a long term, valuable asset. If he keeps improving his control, he could become pretty good.

[Oxtung]

PJ Walters has already passed through waivers.

 

Thanks, I need to update my spreadsheet!