Who gets next spots in rotation??

[greengoblinrulz]

Assuming Kyle Gibson is up till his innings limit (whatever it is).

Pelfrey & Correia are both trade candidates.

Scot Diamond is walking a fine line with getting demoted.

 

What is the list of next to get shots??(could be a few for sure)

 

Many assume Andrew Albers is next. Already 27yrs old, he has been very consistent but isnt on 40 man roster (not a big deal).

I would like to see Liam Hendriks get another shot. The organization isnt very high on him (quote from Tom Kelly), & I dont believe he'll be back next yr in any capacity. He's been very solid in his last 3 ROC starts after his arm injury.

Vance Worley has got to be really high on list as MN wants to see a return on the Revere trade, but he's been really inconsistent in AAA and his pure ROC numbers dont scream promotion.

Pedro Hernandez will probably get another shot, but I think we've seen what he's got as a starter & bullpen has 3 lefties already.

I absolutely believe Nick Blackburn is gonna get another shot this year as MN will get some return on that horrible contract. How soon tho.

Trevor May is another, I think, that will get to make his debut but that will be in Sept for his first cup of coffee.

Finally, Logan Darnell is on the list IF he can handle AAA. He's even more of a surprise to me than Albers, but is behind him/others in experience.

Cole DeVries is not gonna get another shot this year despite bein the Twins best RH starter last year. Got a bad feeling his elbow sprain DL isnt gonna end well (TJ surgery??).

[jorgenswest]

They need to give the shots to anyone who might be part of the team next year.

 

There is no way they will pick up Blackburn's option. I don't see any reason why they should allow him to audition for other teams.

 

They really need to have Worley in the rotation next year. I hope he can can finish well and carry some confidence into next year. I hope the same for Hendriks.

 

I hope that Trevor May gets a chance to debut in September. It can be a relief role. He is already on the 40 so they won't need to juggle.

 

Hernandez future role is probably in the pen. He should get that opportunity in September. Duensing will be 31 and arbitration eligible. He may be a nontendered if the Twins think Hernandez can take his role.

 

I think Albers and Darnell will be rule 5 eligible if they are not on the 40. If not, I wouldn't add either to the 40 to get a September look. The Twins will have enough juggling to protect guys from the rule 5 draft next winter.

[greengoblinrulz]

They need to give the shots to anyone who might be part of the team next year.

 

There is no way they will pick up Blackburn's option. I don't see any reason why they should allow him to audition for other teams.

 

They really need to have Worley in the rotation next year. I hope he can can finish well and carry some confidence into next year. I hope the same for Hendriks.

 

I hope that Trevor May gets a chance to debut in September. It can be a relief role. He is already on the 40 so they won't need to juggle.

 

Hernandez future role is probably in the pen. He should get that opportunity in September. Duensing will be 31 and arbitration eligible. He may be a nontendered if the Twins think Hernandez can take his role.

 

I think Albers and Darnell will be rule 5 eligible if they are not on the 40. If not, I wouldn't add either to the 40 to get a September look. The Twins will have enough juggling to protect guys from the rule 5 draft next winter.

100% w/ya on Nick, but I would bet he does get another shot.

Albers/Darnell will both get 40 manned as their isnt a shortage of spots they can take.....nice to see what they have when they are ready (Albers now, Darnell--Sept??)

Worley to me is like Diamond. They are both considered part of future BUT they've had just as many stretches of inept pitching as MLB quality.

[jorgenswest]

100% w/ya on Nick, but I would bet he does get another shot.

Albers/Darnell will both get 40 manned as their isnt a shortage of spots they can take.....nice to see what they have when they are ready (Albers now, Darnell--Sept??)

Worley to me is like Diamond. They are both considered part of future BUT they've had just as many stretches of inept pitching as MLB quality.

 

I think there will be some very difficult 40 man decisions next winter. There are several guys they need to add who will still be in the minors next year. I don't think they want to add a guy only to have to take him off before the rule 5 draft.

[greengoblinrulz]

Unless Im missing someone, I dont see their being 'that' difficult of decisions for 40 man.

Darnell & Albers are easy adds. I would guess Deibinson Romero maybe. James Beresford, I wouldnt. Those are the only AAA guys.

Maybe Angel Morales in AA (needs to pick it up), or you may lose him as a FA. Pitching wise, Id do Matt Hauser but dont think Alex Wimmers is worth it yet.

High A.....Kennys Vargas for sure.....Salcedo/Nate Roberts no.

Maybe 5.....w/DeVries, Hermsen, Butera, Hendriks (IMO), Pelfrey, Carroll (??), WRamirez....plenty of guys to lose.

[jorgenswest]

Unless Im missing someone, I dont see their being 'that' difficult of decisions for 40 man.

Darnell & Albers are easy adds. I would guess Deibinson Romero maybe. James Beresford, I wouldnt. Those are the only AAA guys.

Maybe Angel Morales in AA (needs to pick it up), or you may lose him as a FA. Pitching wise, Id do Matt Hauser but dont think Alex Wimmers is worth it yet.

High A.....Kennys Vargas for sure.....Salcedo/Nate Roberts no.

Maybe 5.....w/DeVries, Hermsen, Butera, Hendriks (IMO), Pelfrey, Carroll (??), WRamirez....plenty of guys to lose.

 

Polanco? Kepler? September call ups for Rosario or Sano?

 

We disagree on Hendriks. I think he will have a longer career in the majors than Darnell or Albers. He is younger and has accomplished more over his minor league career. I wouldn't trade him for either Albers or Darnell.

 

I would protect Albers if he is eligible.

[greengoblinrulz]

Polanco? Kepler? September call ups for Rosario or Sano?

 

We disagree on Hendriks. I think he will have a longer career in the majors than Darnell or Albers. He is younger and has accomplished more over his minor league career. I wouldn't trade him for either Albers or Darnell.

 

I would protect Albers if he is eligible.

missed Polanco/Keplar and would BUT what team is gonna Rule V them & keep a low A kid for a whole year when most dont even do it for older more established guys.

Sano & Rosario. Dont get a feeling that MN will bring em up in Sept regardless of play as they want to save those 40 man spots (rather than thinking they arent ready).

I am a big believer in Hendriks.....dont get me wrong & I hope he gets another shot. I believe the organization is not sold on him (Tom Kelly has confirmed this) & wont 'waste' a spot on him if he doesnt establish himself later this year

[gunnarthor]

I'd vote for Hendriks or Worley above everyone else. I still think Worley can be an effective ML pitcher and I'd like to see what we have with Hendriks. Maybe he doesn't have the stuff to start but I'd like to see him get another 10+ starts this year at the ML level.

[jorgenswest]

Last off topic on protecting low A. I think Everth Cabrera is a recent example. Santana pitched in Midwest league.

 

On topic... I hope they move Pelfrey and Correia somehow and give opportunity to guys that will be around in 2015. At least one guy on your list will have a significant career. I hope it is with the Twins.

[Oxtung]

Last off topic on protecting low A. I think Everth Cabrera is a recent example. Santana pitched in Midwest league.

 

On topic... I hope they move Pelfrey and Correia somehow and give opportunity to guys that will be around in 2015. At least one guy on your list will have a significant career. I hope it is with the Twins.

 

Over the last 5 years only 1 position player below AAA has stuck with their team after being drafted in the rule 5 draft. A SS at low A. IIRC none of the rest even played a single game with their prospective MLB teams.

 

I agree that Correia/Pelfrey should get moved/released and allow the young guys to get starts, if the Twins think they are ready. There is plenty of room on the 40 man with plenty of players that could be removed: Wilkin Ramirez, Butera, Colabello, Clete Thomas, Mastroianni, De Vries, Hermsen, Pelfrey, Correia, Carrol, PJ Walters, Hendriks, Escobar, Florimon, Roenicke, Thielbar, Duensing, Swarzak and Danny Santana should be feeling vulnerable considering his AA production this year.

[MichiganTwins]

Over the last 5 years only 1 position player below AAA has stuck with their team after being drafted in the rule 5 draft. A SS at low A. IIRC none of the rest even played a single game with their prospective MLB teams.

 

I agree that Correia/Pelfrey should get moved/released and allow the young guys to get starts, if the Twins think they are ready. There is plenty of room on the 40 man with plenty of players that could be removed: Wilkin Ramirez, Butera, Colabello, Clete Thomas, Mastroianni, De Vries, Hermsen, Pelfrey, Correia, Carrol, PJ Walters, Hendriks, Escobar, Florimon, Roenicke, Thielbar, Duensing, Swarzak and Danny Santana should be feeling vulnerable considering his AA production this year.

Why did you include Theilbar in that list? I think he has been pretty good. The rest of the list is pretty expendable.

[Oxtung]

Why did you include Theilbar in that list? I think he has been pretty good. The rest of the list is pretty expendable.

 

That list include players that I felt were on the bubble going forward. Obviously some will play their way onto next seasons 40 man roster over the course of the second half of the season. Thielbar certainly could be one of those, and perhaps is even probable given his current production, but I feel SSS still applies to his pitching so far.

[jorgenswest]

This has gone off topic. My fault. Someone should probably start or find a 40 man thread.

[Nick Nelson]

I think Anthony Swarzak at least needs to have his name mentioned as a candidate to fill a rotation spot. He was a pretty good starting pitching prospect at one point, and has done everything asked of him out of the bullpen. He's still only 27. If it works out as badly as it did last time, you return him to the pen and what's lost?

[greengoblinrulz]

I think Anthony Swarzak at least needs to have his name mentioned as a candidate to fill a rotation spot. He was a pretty good starting pitching prospect at one point, and has done everything asked of him out of the bullpen. He's still only 27. If it works out as badly as it did last time, you return him to the pen and what's lost?

I 100% disagree with ya.

Anthony has had 28 starts with a 5.79ERA w/ .835OPS and has only pitched 146 innings in those.

However, he's found a nice niche as a middle guy w/3.92ERA & .722OPS.

Im all for finding a role for someone that can/has had success in. Problem gets to be w/Anthony is that Roenicke & Pressley are almost the same type of pitcher & I dont think we need 3 longmen/mopup types. Id like a little more diversity in pen & especially some harder throwers (hopefully Michael Tonkin this yr).

[beckmt]

Swarzak may not be tendered. Pressley I believe throws harder than the other 2, but if I had to guess on this years performance, it would be Roenicke that goes. Swarzak is a mop, so if he is arb eligible he is also probably gone. Need to protect the youngsters, most clubs will not pick up the Twins mops as most clubs also have protection problems. Hope they will sign some of the players not kept to minor league contracts with spring training invites. Argee with previous poster that many of the Twins on the 40 man roster will not have to be kept.

[jorgenswest]

I think Anthony Swarzak at least needs to have his name mentioned as a candidate to fill a rotation spot. He was a pretty good starting pitching prospect at one point, and has done everything asked of him out of the bullpen. He's still only 27. If it works out as badly as it did last time, you return him to the pen and what's lost?

 

Worth a shot. I'd rather invest innings in Swarzak than Correia or Pelfrey. Though he hasn't had great success, he wouldn't be the first pitcher to turn it around. I think it took Viola and Radke 50 starts.

[IdahoPilgrim]

I have difficulty seeing Hendriks as part of the answer. He was fantastic in AAA the last two years, but was mediocre at the big-league club. This year his Rochester numbers are uninspiring (5.05 ERA, 1.548 WHIP, 5.2 K/9) at best. Yes, he is young and may improve, but so far I'm not seeing it.

[Kwak]

The Twins need to promote and "cut bait" faster. All this back-and-forth will people who will never be more than marginal poisons the well. Focus on those that indicate high potential for success at the ML level and shunt the marginal off to the side as filler and promote faster. Pitchers have a limited shelf life.

[Guest USAFChief]

I think Anthony Swarzak at least needs to have his name mentioned as a candidate to fill a rotation spot. He was a pretty good starting pitching prospect at one point, and has done everything asked of him out of the bullpen. He's still only 27. If it works out as badly as it did last time, you return him to the pen and what's lost?

I have to disagree with this take, Nick. I don't see Swarzak as a guy with the stuff to pitch to a lineup for 6-7 innings every fifth day. We've seen the same with so many Twins pitchers in recent years. They're not terrible. They just don't have the talent to get major league hitters out 3 and 4 times through a lineup, week in and week out.

[greengoblinrulz]

To contradict myself, I think 28 starts is enough to judge Anthony Swarzak but 22 starts from Liam Hendriks isnt.

Some of that comes from minor league numbers & some is the age difference of 3 yrs but Id rather have either starting than wasting time on Kevin Corriea or Mike Pelfrey

[jokin]

to contradict myself, i think 28 starts is enough to judge anthony swarzak but 22 starts from liam hendriks isnt.

Some of that comes from minor league numbers & some is the age difference of 3 yrs but id rather have either starting than wasting time and money on kevin corriea or mike pelfrey

 

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