Where are we?

[Guest USAFChief]

I lost a lot of respect for TR over the Castillo trade. It was unnecessary at best. And I think its pretty reasonable to assume it didn't go over well with the players.

[TheLeviathan]

At this point, I think I'd be shocked if they dealt anyone. I think we're going to fall right back into Ryan's pattern that he just does not shop players aggressively at the deadline.

[Pius Jefferson]

I had more of a problem with Terry Ryan not trying to trade Torii Hunter and Johan Santana during the 2007 trade deadline.

[drjim]

I had more of a problem with Terry Ryan not trying to trade Torii Hunter and Johan Santana during the 2007 trade deadline.

 

That was his biggest mistake. Made a bad muddle of the deadline and left a mess for Bill Smith.

[Brock Beauchamp]

That was his biggest mistake. Made a bad muddle of the deadline and left a mess for Bill Smith.

 

Yep. Those two had legitimate value and he punted. Luis Castillo doesn't even rate. He was a two month rental of a mediocre, aging middle infielder. Who friggin' cares.

[drjim]

I had more of a problem with Terry Ryan not trying to trade Torii Hunter and Johan Santana during the 2007 trade deadline.

 

I agree with this. Ryan made a muddle of the deadline and left a mess for Bill Smith.

 

Tthe current situation is much different. Outside of Perkins there just isn't much of value. There might be a trade or two but it will be to clear roster space as much as anything.

[ThePuck]

Yep. Those two had legitimate value and he punted. Luis Castillo doesn't even rate. He was a two month rental of a mediocre, aging middle infielder. Who friggin' cares.

 

Santana, Hunter and other Twins certainly friggin cared. They felt they were in a playoff hunt and Ryan decided to trade a leadoff guy hitting .300, getting on base at over a .350 clip and playing good D and got NOTHING in return. Nor did he go after anyone to help them for them make a run at the playoffs.

 

Anyway, the original point of bringing up the Castillo trade was that a poster said the Twins are usually looking for quality with trades around this time, so I mentioned that trade by Ryan that happened close to the deadline, which netted us zero quality whatsoever.

[ThePuck]

I've exhausted my point on this though and it really is way off topic, so I'm done with this line of the conversation.

[Guest USAFChief]

That was his biggest mistake. Made a bad muddle of the deadline and left a mess for Bill Smith.

There was no need to trade Santana in 2007 (nor was there a need to trade him that winter) unless you were getting back a package too good to turn down.

 

This is old ground, but the Twins would have been much better off letting Santana play out his contract and taking 2 draft picks. Many said so at the time, so please...no "hindsight is 20-20" comments.

 

I also don't buy the "left a mess for Bill Smith" line of reasoning...at least not as much of an excuse. Smith had been in the organization for decades, was 2nd in line to Ryan, and certainly was well aware of what the situation was long before he sat down in the big chair. Ryan was still on the payroll and a phone call away, for that matter, if he was somehow missing some information.

[beckmt]

Expect there may be a few trades. It will not matter for this year and probably not in the future. Only trade in the future would be Perkins and the Twins better get a very good deal to trade him. I can see Morneau being traded, but would like to see what he wants for a contract first, do not like Parmelle. But will see what this year brings. Domit might be traded, but would probably not bring enough value to ship. Problem with the Twins this year is no big talent to trade except Perkins.

[drjim]

There was no need to trade Santana in 2007 (nor was there a need to trade him that winter) unless you were getting back a package too good to turn down.

 

This is old ground, but the Twins would have been much better off letting Santana play out his contract and taking 2 draft picks. Many said so at the time, so please...no "hindsight is 20-20" comments.

 

I also don't buy the "left a mess for Bill Smith" line of reasoning...at least not as much of an excuse. Smith had been in the organization for decades, was 2nd in line to Ryan, and certainly was well aware of what the situation was long before he sat down in the big chair. Ryan was still on the payroll and a phone call away, for that matter, if he was

somehow missing some information.

 

I'm not making excuses for the fiasco that was Bill Smith. But the franchise was not in the best of shape in the winter of 2007.

[Mike Sixel]

Ah, ok. I was baffled becasue he also traded Liriano last year. And I couldn't imagine getting too worked up about losing Castillo. Though I questioned it at the time.

 

I always wondered if that Castillo trade was one of the reasons Ryan retired. That year, the Twins were really in between seller and buyers, so he tried to walk a middle path and got ripped by the players. Twins were 7 games back, if I recall, when they made that trade.

 

I think he resigned because he could not stomach the mauer deal.....but that is pure speculation.

[silverslugger]

I'll add my two cents as a Twins fan who was perplexed and disappointed upon finding out the Twins were acting like sellers at the '07 deadline and then only sold off a bit piece for a negligible return.