2024 Other NFL Offseason News

[nicksaviking]

18 minutes ago, gunnarthor said:

I've read your posts, I just don't think you're very realistic. But, whatever. So far this offseason is looking pretty good to me, all things considered. Obviously the draft will be huge but I like all of the pickups so far and they all seem to fit into what KOC or Flores wants on that side of the ball. 

Which part isn't realistic? Jones being washed up? 

[gunnarthor]

Packers paid Xavier McKinney 4/68 along with the big contract for Josh Jacobs.  I didn't think a safety would get that this offseason so good for him, I guess. 

[Danchat]

2 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Which part isn't realistic? Jones being washed up? 

Jones might fall off a cliff in his age 30 season, but washed up RBs don't have 5 100+ yard games in a row, especially not into the playoffs.

[nicksaviking]

I clearly didn't read the room correctly on the Jones signing, I thought it would be met with yawns, I was wrong, sorry. Didn't mean to undercut anyone's optimism for him. I'm a Vikings fan, I hope he does well.

[gunnarthor]

Bears trade for Keenan Allen. Gads. I hate that guy. He always toasts us. 

[nicksaviking]

14 minutes ago, gunnarthor said:

Bears trade for Keenan Allen. Gads. I hate that guy. He always toasts us. 

At least he's 31, he can toast the Vikings next year if the Vikings are going to struggle anyway. And the Bears have a lot of picks, I was worried they'd pick Williams at 1 then package 9 and something else to move up for Harrison, paring them together for years. Probably not happening now.

[Mike Sixel]

Fields traded for a bag of balls. He's better than that. 

[Parfigliano]

5 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Fields traded for a bag of balls. He's better than that. 

Disagree.  His track record says a 6th round pick is overpaying.

[nicksaviking]

Fields looks like Christian Ponder, but with mobility. Slow reads and worse, extremely indecisive.

Still, he had some hype, I’m surprised he could only get a sixth. Less than Howell, Pickett and basically Ridder got. Though I think Howell was a sneaky good grab by Seattle. The picks are bad, but he did nearly throw for 4000 yards on a dysfunctional team, and he can scramble. 

[gunnarthor]

49ers penalized some draft picks for shady accounting practices and they also sign QB Dobbs. Good for him.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39761321/payroll-error-2022-costs-49ers-25-pick-dip-4th-24

[Danchat]

On 3/17/2024 at 12:00 AM, nicksaviking said:

Fields looks like Christian Ponder, but with mobility. Slow reads and worse, extremely indecisive.

Still, he had some hype, I’m surprised he could only get a sixth. Less than Howell, Pickett and basically Ridder got.

More like Michael Vick - he was putting up big rushing yard numbers, but just wasn't cutting it as a passer. And looking back, I didn't realize Vick was as poor of a passer as he was (for that era). The dude came 2nd in MVP votes with a 14/12 TD/int ratio and 900 yards rushing.

A 2025 6th - not even a 2024 6th! is certainly worth the price, but he was simply not a fit in O'Connell's scheme so they likely didn't make him an offer. I have no idea why Pickett and Ridder got more than he did, given what numbers they put up without being major rushing threats.

1 hour ago, gunnarthor said:

49ers penalized some draft picks for shady accounting practices and they also sign QB Dobbs. Good for him.

Made Dobbs can get the Darnold treatment and get $10M on the open market next offseason, after we hear about how much he has progressed thanks to Shanahan.

[nicksaviking]

22 minutes ago, Danchat said:

More like Michael Vick - he was putting up big rushing yard numbers, but just wasn't cutting it as a passer. And looking back, I didn't realize Vick was as poor of a passer as he was (for that era). The dude came 2nd in MVP votes with a 14/12 TD/int ratio and 900 yards rushing.

A 2025 6th - not even a 2024 6th! is certainly worth the price, but he was simply not a fit in O'Connell's scheme so they likely didn't make him an offer. I have no idea why Pickett and Ridder got more than he did, given what numbers they put up without being major rushing threats.

Made Dobbs can get the Darnold treatment and get $10M on the open market next offseason, after we hear about how much he has progressed thanks to Shanahan.

Vick was a bad passer, not unlike Jalen Hurts, but both were/are aggressive gunslingers. Every game I watched Fields he was tentative and indecisive, as bad as Christian Ponder. 

[nicksaviking]

Nothing to back this up, but I think if the Patriots don't trade back, they pick Marvin Harrison instead of one of the QBs. No reports out, just a hunch. It's obviously the worst landing spot for a QB and I'm sure they know it. I'm going to go with they think Penix/Nix with Brissett as a mentor along with Harrison is a better situation than Maye/McCarthy and a much, much lesser WR. As a team with a history of winning with a strictly pocket passer who can make all the throws, I'm putting my money on them trading back into the first round to get Penix later on Thursday.

Anyway, I've had a couple and thought I'd put my prediction down before all the draft wonks decide they like my take too and snipe me.

[Danchat]

57 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Nothing to back this up, but I think if the Patriots don't trade back, they pick Marvin Harrison instead of one of the QBs. No reports out, just a hunch.

Your logic is sound, but I don't think it happens. This is their chance to get their franchise QB, who knows when they will get another shot (the 2025 QB class is considerably weaker and who knows if they will be top 3 again). Ideally they would sit on that rookie for most of Year 1 and as for WRs Round 2-3 are absolutely stacked compared to previous years. MHJ is super special but the rewards of hitting on an elite QB compared to an elite WR are much greater.

The odds I'm seeing on MHJ at #3 is +1600, pretty unlikely, but if you end up correct that will be quite the hunch.

[nicksaviking]

10 minutes ago, Danchat said:

Your logic is sound, but I don't think it happens. This is their chance to get their franchise QB, who knows when they will get another shot (the 2025 QB class is considerably weaker and who knows if they will be top 3 again). Ideally they would sit on that rookie for most of Year 1 and as for WRs Round 2-3 are absolutely stacked compared to previous years. MHJ is super special but the rewards of hitting on an elite QB compared to an elite WR are much greater.

The odds I'm seeing on MHJ at #3 is +1600, pretty unlikely, but if you end up correct that will be quite the hunch.

Agree about getting a QB being more important.

Not to pile on, and surely they won't feel this way, but I think the Patriots are going to have lots of chances to pick a franchise QB in the next decade. I'm pegging them as a team to be picking in the top ten a lot going forward, with or without a good young QB. This franchise looks to be in good shape to be a dysfunctional mess for the foreseeable future.

[gunnarthor]

15 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

Nothing to back this up, but I think if the Patriots don't trade back, they pick Marvin Harrison instead of one of the QBs. No reports out, just a hunch. It's obviously the worst landing spot for a QB and I'm sure they know it. I'm going to go with they think Penix/Nix with Brissett as a mentor along with Harrison is a better situation than Maye/McCarthy and a much, much lesser WR. As a team with a history of winning with a strictly pocket passer who can make all the throws, I'm putting my money on them trading back into the first round to get Penix later on Thursday.

Anyway, I've had a couple and thought I'd put my prediction down before all the draft wonks decide they like my take too and snipe me.

I think this would make a lot of sense but I still think they'll take a QB and ruin him. They have such a hole at LT now that whoever they pick is going to be roadkill. 

[nicksaviking]

PFT is now also swimming in reports about how involved Josh Harris is getting with Washington's pick. Snyder may be gone, but looks like ownership meddling isn't changing.

That likely doesn't help the Vikings in getting the QB they want, but I'm all for the Commanders drowning in dysfunction for another couple of decades.

[nicksaviking]

The Lions gave Amon Ra St Brown his big contract. 120M over 4 years with 77M guaranteed. In pretend money that's 30M per year, but that 77M guaranteed is more than two full years of actual money. Hopefully this dominos into the Vikings extending Jefferson, but perhaps one party is waiting for the Cowboys and Lamb to do a deal. I hope not because I think the Cowboys are on the brink of lunacy. I don't expect them to make the right decisions with their veteran players in the near future.

[Mike Sixel]

4 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

The Lions gave Amon Ra St Brown his big contract. 120M over 4 yeas with 77M guaranteed. In pretend money that's 30M per year, but that 77M guaranteed is more than two full years of actual money. Hopefully this dominos into the Vikings extending Jefferson, but perhaps one party is waiting for the Cowboys and Lamb to do a deal. I hope not because I think the Cowboys are on the brink of lunacy. I don't expect them to make the right decisions with their veteran players in the near future.

I'm expecting 7 years, announced at 33 million per year, give or take.

[nicksaviking]

5 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I'm expecting 7 years, announced at 33 million per year, give or take.

That would be just fine by me. 

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, nicksaviking said:

That would be just fine by me. 

As much as 35......but we'll see. I've been quite wrong on NFL salaries lately

[nicksaviking]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

As much as 35......but we'll see. I've been quite wrong on NFL salaries lately

33M and 35M should make no difference. The number of guaranteed years seems to be the Vikings sticking point, but they better be over that phobia already. One guaranteed season is obviously a hard stop for Jefferson. One of the best non-QBs in the game shouldn't have to give up what every other team would willingly give him.

[nicksaviking]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/falcons-get-wrist-slap-for-tampering-with-three-players-including-kirk-cousins

Unbelievable. Atlanta only loses a 5th round pick for their rampant tampering. The last line says it all; Miami lost a 1st and a 3rd two years ago for tampering AND FAILING to get Sean Payton and Tom Brady. I wish it was easier to quit the NFL, this is the most corrupt and dishonest cartel outside of the pharmaceutical industry.

[Parfigliano]

Packers signing Love for 4yrs/$220 million.  Please blow up in their faces.

[Mike Sixel]

4 hours ago, Parfigliano said:

Packers signing Love for 4yrs/$220 million.  Please blow up in their faces.

Wow, QBs are expensive!

[gunnarthor]

Dallas signs Lamb for just below Jefferson money. I thought he would actually get more but congrats to him.

[nicksaviking]

21 hours ago, gunnarthor said:

Dallas signs Lamb for just below Jefferson money. I thought he would actually get more but congrats to him.

He should have gotten more. That's the price Jerry Jones should have had to pay by dragging his feet just to make a spectacle to put the Cowboys in the spotlight.

The best player at each position only gets paid as the top player for a brief moment. The other top tier players at the position all get to top him. It's how it works. And honestly, Lamb MIGHT actually be the best player at the position right now.

I hate the Cowboys.

[gunnarthor]

Washington suspends its "Vice President of Content" for, basically, saying that the league doesn't really care about gay folks or DEI and that Jerry Jones really runs the NFL. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41122997/commanders-suspend-vp-comments-players-jones-goodell

[Mike Sixel]

15 hours ago, gunnarthor said:

Washington suspends its "Vice President of Content" for, basically, saying that the league doesn't really care about gay folks or DEI and that Jerry Jones really runs the NFL. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41122997/commanders-suspend-vp-comments-players-jones-goodell

Where's the lie?

[nicksaviking]

7 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Where's the lie?

Reading the article, yeah, he's mostly right. 

On the other hand, he had no business making those broad generalizations about the players on his team. Zero chance all of them are homophobes yet all of them get thrown under the bus. Had he left the players out of it and only criticized Goodell, Jones and anyone else running the show it would have come off as more genuine.