Souhan: Time Running Out On Some Players

[cmathewson]

I don't understand this... Why should he be the first to go? Because he's unlucky?

 

You can make the argument that Worley has an option and Pelfrey would have to clear waivers but other than that, there's no reason to send Vance to AAA and keep Pelfrey in the rotation.

 

Minor nit. They both have an option. But Pelfrey would have to accept his demotion because of his vetrran status.

[jokin]

That would be the preferred situation and hopefully one Pelfrey would agree to should he continue to be awful.

 

As annoying as it is to say, I think I'd keep them both up for the time being. It won't kill team to see two more starts from each before making a decision. After that time, we'll be able to better judge Vance's bad luck and Pelfrey's "rebound".

 

And despite his recent success, as relative as that may be, I'd still send down Hernandez before either Pelfrey or Worley. Nothing about the guy says Major League starting pitcher to me.

 

I am in complete agreement on this. Hernandez seems destined for a career ceiling of middle-multi-inning-lefty-specialist-one-grade-above-LOOGY. His L-R split is horrendous.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I am in complete agreement on this. Hernandez seems destined for a career ceiling of middle-multi-inning-lefty-specialist-one-grade-above-LOOGY. His L-R split is horrendous.

 

Yep. A 1.172 OPS allowed to RHB.

 

That's just... Amazing, actually. The average RHB against Hernandez is a better hitter than either Miguel Cabrera's or Albert Pujols' best season ever.

[Mike Sixel]

Yep. A 1.172 OPS allowed to RHB.

 

That's just... Amazing, actually. The average RHB against Hernandez is a better hitter than either Miguel Cabrera's or Albert Pujols' best season ever.

 

he's better than his stats.....

[Brock Beauchamp]

he's better than his stats.....

 

Does that mean he should be converting the average RHB into Mike Trout?

[cmathewson]

I honestly don't know what Hernandez is good for. But he's not good enough to remain in the rotation with Deduno and Gibson waiting for opportunities. If you can barely get through 5 innings while giving up three runs, that's AAA level. And I actually think he's worse than his numbers. He has been the beneficiary of a lot of long, loud outs.

[Brodin4Calder]

Brodin, you lost me at solo HR's. If you can't see there is more to baseball than avg and RBI I have nothing to argue with you about.

 

Dave, I'm not being ridiculous. Besides Plouffe's defense (which is only highlighted by dumb mistakes) he is just fine. Right now he is a league average 3b. I'm fine with that. Especially considering he can improve over the year. I don't understand calling him out. I can see Dozier, Parmelee and Worley, but the constant negativity about Plouffe is just stupid.

 

I lost you at solo HRs? What? And what baseball comes down to is driving in runs to win games, plain and simple. If a batter has a horrible average and when he does get hits he doesnt drive in runs than that batter is not productive. You can look at all the advanced stats you want but thats not baseball, do you think they looked at those stats 40 years ago? NO? His RISP avg is horrible and his OBP, thats all the stats you need other than the regular AVG, RBI.... Plouffe is a bad 3B plain and simple, hes not gonna help a team win.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I lost you at solo HRs? What? And what baseball comes down to is driving in runs to win games, plain and simple. If a batter has a horrible average and when he does get hits he doesnt drive in runs than that batter is not productive. You can look at all the advanced stats you want but thats not baseball, do you think they looked at those stats 40 years ago? NO? His RISP avg is horrible and his OBP, thats all the stats you need other than the regular AVG, RBI.... Plouffe is a bad 3B plain and simple, hes not gonna help a team win.

 

Except that in time, all those RISP-y stats tend to regress to the mean. Yes, they vary even from season to season but in time, they tend to drift toward the middle.

 

Which means that they're absolutely awful stats to use as a predictive measure.

 

This isn't about advanced metrics. This is about common sense, math, and 110 years of baseball.

[SweetOne69]

I find it humorous that after the BP collapse on Friday that Dick n Bert were commenting that the Twins have 5 games before there next off day and they need the starters to go at least 6 IP in those 5 games (minimum of 30 innings). Since they made the comment, no starter has completed 6 so in order to get the 30 innings both Correia and Pelfrey have to pitch 7 innings each.

[Oldgoat_MN]

he's better than his stats.....

 

mwm - everyone is. Even you and I are better than those stats.

[diehardtwinsfan]

1) Souhan is an idiot.

 

2) The people being called out here are the guys who should be the lineup every day, regardless of how well they do. Plouffe and Parmalee both showed that they didn't need AAA time. Dozier might need some seasoning, but right now he's looking like an average middle infielder, which is something this team has been missing for a while. I get that they aren't producing, but this season was lost when we went into it with a rotation fronted by Pelfrey, Correia, and Worley. Let those kids play and see if they can develop. The ones that improve will find themselves in the next wave. The ones that don't get let go or become role players.