Article: Twins vs White Sox, 07-25-2012, 1:10pm

[DPJ]

Where's Dave to tell us that there's still hope for Blackie?

[Highabove]

I only have 16 more games left in our Season Ticket package.

 

I love Target Field (i will keep telling myself)

[Guest USAFChief]

It doesn't have anything to do with "leaning how to win" Teams with talent win and teams without talent lose. The Pirates and Royals have been bad for so long cause they didn't hit on picks, lost what little talent they had to free agencey or bad trades.

 

Hell the farthest team to advances in the postseason in the Gardy era was the 2002 team that had no "winners" among them.

Could not disagree more. Talent is important, but that's not all that matters. This organization has the stench of losing becoming a part of its DNA. That's a shame.

[DPJ]

The Twins front office would really rather watch Blackburn do this then let Liam take his lumps?

[Steve Penz]

Just F'ing release Blackburn and get it over with. I can't take any mor 0-2 "sliders" in the middle of the plate that get pasted into the gap.

I am paying attention on my smartphone while I work. It shows the chart of where pitches are delivered. Viciedo's homer pitch was 2 inches above his knee and grooved down the middle.

[DPJ]

Could not disagree more. Talent is important, but that's not all that matters. This organization has the stench of losing becoming a part of its DNA. That's a shame.

What in the hell is "stench in it's DNA"

 

How is someone suppose to respond to that. Talent is all that matters in this game, if you have talented players then you're going to win games. If you have nontalented players then you're going to lose games. Lets not get into the mythical world of clutch, knowing how to win and whatever bs media driven cliches.

[Ultima Ratio]

It doesn't have anything to do with "leaning how to win" Teams with talent win and teams without talent lose. The Pirates and Royals have been bad for so long cause they didn't hit on picks, lost what little talent they had to free agencey or bad trades.

 

Hell the farthest team to advances in the postseason in the Gardy era was the 2002 team that had no "winners" among them.

Expect to lose and you'll probably lose. Expect to win and you've got a chance. Why do you think sports psychiatrists exist? Why is teaming building and cohesiveness important to businesses and sports teams? Why do people attend religious services? Are beliefs efficacious? Does success not beget success? You don't have to answer all of these or any if you don't care to, but I think there something to the whole mind over matter, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts philosophical adages.

[snepp]

You like him because you're a sadist.

Masochist, pig, masochist.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Masochist, pig, masochist.

No, sadist.

[Guest USAFChief]

What in the hell is "stench in it's DNA"

 

How is someone suppose to respond to that. Talent is all that matters in this game, if you have talented players then you're going to win games. If you have nontalented players then you're going to lose games. Lets not get into the mythical world of clutch, knowing how to win and whatever bs media driven cliches.

Yeah, its all just some big spreadsheet exercise.

 

I happen to believe that not everything that can be counted counts. And not everything that counts can be counted.

 

Losing is partly a learned behavior, as is winning.

[DPJ]

Expect to lose and you'll probably lose. Expect to win and you've got a chance. Why do you think sports psychiatrists exist? Why is teaming building and cohesiveness important to businesses and sports teams? Why do people attend religious services? Are beliefs efficacious? Does success not beget success? You don't have to answer all of these or any if you don't care to, but I think there something to the whole mind over matter, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts philosophical adages.

I can't respond to that cause there's no valid response that can be given. Neither you or I have any proof that any of that crap you just mentioned effects on the field proformance. I don't live in a world of made up clubhouse mojjo or whatever you believe in. If you look at the bad teams in baseball it's cause they lack talent to win games. If you look at the winning teams it's cause they have a talented roster.

 

Were not reinventing the wheel here, good teams win games while bad teams lose games.

[CDog]

My mom loves the joke about the masochist and the sadist getting together. The masochist says, "Whip me." The sadist says, "No."

[snepp]

This game thread is fantastic, I can't believe I missed so much yumminess.

[snepp]

My mom loves the joke about the masochist and the sadist getting together. The masochist says, "I want to watch the Twins." The sadist says, "No."

I like this version more.

[CDog]

Told you so! Something ain't right out there in left field!!!

[Boom Boom]

You can send one player to a sports shrink if they've got confidence issues. But how do you fix a whole team if they've been conditioned to lose?

 

I think the answer is the same whether you think losing is infectious or not. You cycle out the players, coaches, and staff until you hit on a combination that works.

[IdahoPilgrim]

This thread is starting to remind me of the movie "The Natural":

 

"What is losing? Losing is a disease as contagious as polio. Losing is a disease as contagious as syphilis. Losing is a disease as contagious as bubonic plague, attacking one but affecting all. But curable. Imagine you are on a ship at sea..."

 

Good film but I wish they hadn't changed the ending from the book.

[DPJ]

Yeah, its all just some big spreadsheet exercise.

 

I happen to believe that not everything that can be counted counts. And not everything that counts can be counted.

 

Losing is partly a learned behavior, as is winning.

I agree that not everything is a number when it comes to sports, but how in the hell do you quantify what you're talking about.

 

How do you learn how to win, teams don't stay bad forever so how does a team learn how to win. Is it maybe when they get enough friggin talent to win games?

How does a team captain/leader effect wins, how's Cuddyer doing in CO?

How does a manager players believe in effect wins?

 

I could go on all day...

[Ultima Ratio]

I can't respond to that cause there's no valid response that can be given. Neither you or I have any proof that any of that crap you just mentioned effects on the field proformance. I don't live in a world of made up clubhouse mojjo or whatever you believe in. If you look at the bad teams in baseball it's cause they lack talent to win games. If you look at the winning teams it's cause they have a talented roster.

 

Were not reinventing the wheel here, good teams win games while bad teams lose games.

No proof? Ok, look up the placebo effect and get back to us.

 

Love is a tough thing to measure.... therefore it must not exist. Do I have that about right?

[twinsnorth49]

What in the hell is "stench in it's DNA"

 

How is someone suppose to respond to that. Talent is all that matters in this game, if you have talented players then you're going to win games. If you have nontalented players then you're going to lose games. Lets not get into the mythical world of clutch, knowing how to win and whatever bs media driven cliches.

Talent is all that matters, in any sport, period.

[DPJ]

No proof? Ok, look up the placebo effect and get back to us.

 

Love is a tough thing to measure.... therefore it must not exist. Do I have that about right?

How did the Texas Rangers learn how to win after being garbage for all those years. Did Ronnie Wash bust out some 8balls and get everyone to believe? Or did they finally gather a talented enough roster to get outta the basement?

 

How did the Pirates finally start winning, was it Clint Hurdles doing naked laps in the clubhouse? Or did they hit on some high picks like Walker, McCutchon and mades some good trades to finally piece together a rotation?

[twinsnorth49]

Maybe it's just me (I'm only partially following the game as I work on something else), but the last few hits seem to have come off some not-too-bad pitches. Looks like Chicago did a good job scouting where Blackburn likes to throw the ball.

You mean like right over the middle of the plate? That is good scouting.

[twinsnorth49]

How did the Texas Rangers learn how to win after being garbage for all those years. Did Ronnie Wash bust out some 8balls and get everyone to believe? Or did they finally gather a talented enough roster to get outta the basement?

 

How did the Pirates finally start winning, was it Clint Hurdles doing naked laps in the clubhouse? Or did they hit on some high picks like Walker, McCutchon and mades some good trades to finally piece together a rotation?

They got Hamilton off the junk.

[snepp]

Did Dick make it through a Dunn plate appearance without mentioning strikeouts?

[snepp]

Annnnnnnnnnnnd there goes another one.

 

 

 

Leave him out there until his arm falls off.

[twinsnorth49]

The Twins front office would really rather watch Blackburn do this then let Liam take his lumps?

They should have let Blackie rot in Rochester and brought back Hendriks, this is f***ing insane!

[Hijinks]

Why hasn't blackburn been pulled yet? Seriously blackburn,watching tape doesn't fix this kind of problem. Maybe next time you should say you solved the problem until you have strung together multiple quality starts.

[snepp]

Butera needs to takes some ESL classes so he can fix Blacksie.

[IdahoPilgrim]

You mean like right over the middle of the plate? That is good scouting.

I don't have gamecenter or anything on so I can't see where they tracked; I was just going by what I happened to catch on replays for hits. It looked to me like some of them were kept down in the zone and to the sides of the plate, and yet still got hammered.

 

That last homer, however, was a different matter.

[Ultima Ratio]

Talent is all that matters, in any sport, period.

You're kinda missing the original argument, which was whether the best way to get back to success was to completely bottom out the team for several years or not.

 

Talent is a necessary condition of success but not always sufficient. Look at team USA basketball from prior years. All the talent in the world and awfully clumsy and bad at times.