This bullpen is bad

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

People are trained by years of ineptitude of humans, who are trying mind you, but still guessing...... to accept wrong calls from perfect pitches or perfect takes, and call them borderline as if that makes it all ok. The whole point of pitching is to make the close pitches, and never make "rock solid" meatball strikes! For a pitcher or a batter to be robbed of the perfect pitch or perfect take is a travesty and always has been, and always will be, until humans are no longer relied upon to guess and get so many wrong in so many games in so many important situations. The count, or any other pitch in the current or any other at bat, should have no consequence whatsoever with a correct or incorrect call for any subsequent pitch. Ever. Absolutely nothing.

 

For an umpire to force a pitcher to make pitches that are giving a batter an unfair advantage, or to make a batter swing at pitches that are balls because they will call them strikes anyway, is robbing the game of the players.... the human factor.... deciding the games' outcomes instead of umpires.

Huh?  First of all, according to Brooks Baseball, your "robo-ump" would have only corrected one pitch from Hirschbeck: the fourth pitch to Colon.  On a 3-0 pitch.  Whoop de doo.  Given how May clearly missed with the first 3 pitches, and almost missed with the 4th pitch, odds are pretty good he would have walked Colon on a hypothetical 5th pitch too (or missed the other way and gave Colon a meatball to hit).

 

You will probably even get that level of error on borderline calls from your robo-ump too -- any defined strike zone will have a border, and two pitches on that border identical to the human eye will probably be a fraction of an inch apart and called differently by the robo-ump.  Maybe May's pitch would have been on that border, or close enough to that border that it was really out of the realm of May's control anyway (assuming that pitchers don't have THAT precise level of control).

 

I'll be the first to admit that umpires aren't perfect, but damn this is nitpicking.  Do you think Cubs fans have a valid case for blaming Bartman for their 2003 loss?  Yeah, he messed up one play a bit, but the Cubs did the rest to blow a 3 run lead and then lose the next game too.  That's kind of where May was at yesterday -- maybe he didn't get an assist from the ump on one pitch, but he made a TON of mistakes around that, before and after.  I really dislike athletes and fans who complain about the ump after a game like that.

[TheLeviathan]

Yeah, I'm not convincing even a robo-ump calls both of those a strike.  There are all sorts of assumptions going on in thinking that strike map is so precise that we can no for certain it was a blown call, much less extrapolate that into a "ref screwed us" argument.

[h2oface]

I seems that there is some extrapolating upon what I actually said, the points I made, and a different focus and spin, making this just about "complaining" about the umpire. I presented a robo ump that did call the pitches different. The other one offered is more correct? It seems that their "zone" is all the same size for every batter. I don't think each player has the same size zone. In fact, I know they don't. I support not getting the best pitches and takes wrong, and that the point is never to make the pitch get more of the plate than absolutely necessary.

 

Huh?

[h2oface]

Hirschbeck seemed to see this pitch #4 quite differently, too........ some strike 3. But then, perhaps he missed pitch #1, too? Probably not. Just high. 3 out of 4 ain't bad. 75% is good enough for baseball? I guess Sano deserved to get punched out. He should have swung at a pitch that was clearly a ball, even if he was talented enough to see that he shouldn't?

 

 

[jimmer]

We knew the bullpen would be shaky and Ryan probably did too. He made a choice that this team was going to out hit its bulpen problems.

 

So....Dozier, Plouffe & Park better step it up!

If not, they need to be gone.

 

What other option is there?

this reminds me of when Gardenhire said that If everyone else is hitting, no one notices that Punto isn't. Basically putting the blame on the rest of the team for people noticing Puntos futility at the plate.

 

And, btw, this teams offense was overrated by Ryan if he thought that.

[Thrylos]

 

The bullpen IS FIEN!!!!

 

FTFY