Chuck Knoblauch's Active On Twitter Again, Takes Shot At Former Teammate

[tobi0040]

I don't think the CEO analogy holds up very well.

 

The CEO is announcing his purchase, and it's governed by regulation and monitored. His actions are known, and other investors are free to decide whether they want to invest along with him or not.

 

For a similar situation, the CEO would be buying stock on the sly, hoping to parlay inside knowledge into advantages of when to sell. Perhaps making decisions that boost the stock in the short term, but hurt the company in the long term...similar to burning through your bullpen to win a game you have money on, at the expense of the next few days games, which you don't care as much about.

 

If Rosé only bet on the Reds to win (which, lets be honest, is doubtful), it doesn't make it any less bad. His decisions as a manager still come into question, which is a situation no sport can allow. Even if untrue, the perception that he (or anyone) isn't making decisions in an honest effort to win is just as bad as the actual thing.

 

That's why baseball has hardcore rules against gambling, and are very concerned about it. It's just about the worst thing that can infest a sport.

 

I am with you on the disclosure side of the CEO buying stock.  That is a fair point.

 

I would push back on this notion that gambling is the worst offense.  I would still argue that PED's hurt the integrity of the game at least as much.  The managers decisions come into question, okay.  Don't records come into question with PED's?  Poor Roger Maris.   Prior to 1996, 12 players hit more than 50 HR in a season.  Between 1976 and 1996, only two players did.   From 1996 to 2010, 14 players did it 22 times.  Brady Anderson has 50 and Williams, Aaron the HR king, and Schmidt never did.  For a sport that loves their stats....this should be a bigger issue.

 

Not to mention the broader point, who did Pete Rose hurt?  I would argue the cheaters did in fact hurt players, owners, and fans.

 

I would also think the average fan would be more upset if you said....10% of the players are using PED's and you don't know who is versus, the manager of this team is betting on his team to win.

[USAFChief]

I am with you on the disclosure side of the CEO buying stock.  That is a fair point.

 

I would push back on this notion that gambling is the worst offense.  I would still argue that PED's hurt the integrity of the game at least as much.  The managers decisions come into question, okay.  Don't records come into question with PED's?  Poor Roger Maris.   Prior to 1996, 12 players hit more than 50 HR in a season.  Between 1976 and 1996, only two players did.   From 1996 to 2010, 14 players did it 22 times.  Brady Anderson has 50 and Williams, Aaron the HR king, and Schmidt never did.  For a sport that loves their stats....this should be a bigger issue.

 

Not to mention the broader point, who did Pete Rose hurt?  I would argue the cheaters did in fact hurt players, owners, and fans.

 

I would also think the average fan would be more upset if you said....10% of the players are using PED's and you don't know who is versus, the manager of this team is betting on his team to win.

How about if we said 10 percent of managers are betting on their team and you don't know who?

[tobi0040]

How about if we said 10 percent of managers are betting on their team and you don't know who?

 

You may not appreciate this, but I don't think fans would care nearly as much about the managers regardless.  I really don't.

 

With players you know the game is rigged.  The guys playing straight up are fighting an uphill battle. You know some of the stats are rigged.  Some of the championships are rigged.  You have to speculate who is legit and who is real.  I don't think any of those concerns happen if you know a manager out there is betting on his team to win games.   And it is just not fair to the guys that get cut from the teams.  Miss the all star game, the MVP awards.  Cy Youngs.    An example would be Clemens. Took a Cy away from a guy named Teddy Higuera in 1986.  Was that guy hosed? We will never know.  An MVP from Don Mattingly that year.  Two Cy Youngs from Randy Johnson (97 and 2004).  One from Pedro in 98.  One from Mark Mulder. One from Jimmy Key.  And one from MN's own  Scotty Erickson in 91.   In addition the contract kickers, these awards would probably be the biggest professional achievement to a guy like Erickson, Higuera or Mulder. 

[nicksaviking]

How about if we said 10 percent of managers are betting on their team and you don't know who?

 

 

You may not appreciate this, but I don't think fans would care nearly as much about the managers regardless.  I really don't.

 

 

I think most fans would care, particularly if they stop to consider that at some point, those managers are bound to find themselves in a position where they become well aware their services will no longer be renewed the following season. 

 

Gardy is a stand-up guy, but I'll use him as a hypothetical example for the purposes of the arguement.  Fans questioned Gardy's decisions throughout his tenure, more so at the end.  What kind of mayhem do you think would be going on in this forum if we found out he was betting on baseball in his lame duck season?

[tobi0040]

I think most fans would care, particularly if they stop to consider that at some point, those managers are bound to find themselves in a position where they become well aware their services will no longer be renewed the following season. 

 

Gardy is a stand-up guy, but I'll use him as a hypothetical example for the purposes of the arguement.  Fans questioned Gardy's decisions throughout his tenure, more so at the end.  What kind of mayhem do you think would be going on in this forum if we found out he was betting on baseball in his lame duck season?

 

Relatively speaking, i dont think fans would care nearly as much as PED users.

[big dog]

Okay, Pete is forgiven.  I still don't want him in the Hall.  PED's users either including Andy Petitte.

 

And the Yankees are insane to retire all these numbers.

Yankee Announcer, Opening Day 2018: And batting leadoff for the Yankees, #14 and a half, {insert name here}.

[diehardtwinsfan]

No. I wasn't home from the World War yet.

 

I didn't realize you served in WW1 after the Spanish American war. 

[Paul Pleiss]

I'm not saying Chuck Knoblauch is good at twitter, or condoning his alleged actions that prevented his enshirnement in the Twins hall of fame, but Chuck's pretty great. Everytime I read about him I think back to the days in the dome, and ringing through the PA system "Chuuuuuuuuuck KNOB-lauchhhhhhh" and to me, that makes everthing else a-o.k.