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  1. I don't understand why the Twins need to be "blown away," to pull the trigger on a deal. I wouldn't hesitate to move a 34 year old pitcher who is having by far the best half season of his career. The Twins aren't going to go out and sign a big FA pitcher. Their minor league system isn't going to turn out a ton of help unless an inordinate number of their prospects all hit their ceilings. The first overall pick obviously is a boost but they'll need more than that. If the only time the Twins are willing to make a move is when another team is grossly overpaying then good luck putting together a rotation that actually competes for a WS. They NEED starting pitching. They can't keep sitting on these veteran players and watching them regress. If this is the best we'll see of Santana (very likely that it is) then get everything you can for him and move on. **If the best offer they get is well below fair market value then walk. I shouldn't have to say that but I figured I would save somebody the time lost wandering down that tangent.
  2. NL teams would be trading for Ervin to help them throw the ball not hit it. Idk why any team would dismiss him as a candidate because he isn't capable of being a hitter at the major league level. Very few pitchers, if any, have that ability.
  3. Shocker...Buxton being pinch hit for....
  4. My condolences. Sliders and Chinese plastics FTW.
  5. Completely agree. That was the point I was driving at.
  6. So if we're blaming the catchers for Pressly does that mean they're also responsible for Gibson, Hughes, Belisle, ect?
  7. Rzepczynski, Holland, Uehara, Storen.....or......Tepesch, Vogelsong, Breslow, Belisle. If we were placing bets on which group would have a better year before the season started I think the favorite would've been clear. They're all on 1-2 year deals as well. Nobody is saying the Twins should drop $80 million on a relief pitcher (they shouldn't) but the idea that relief pitchers on the market are created equally and therefore signings are a total crapshoot just isn't true. Of course the market for those pitchers is volatile but the goal is to make signings that have the best chance of success.
  8. Its like clockwork....the Sano removal for a pinch run is due any moment...
  9. I'm just not putting that much stock into a couple weeks in ST. Like I said above I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that the 5th spot didn't come down to a couple weeks and a handful of innings of exhibition baseball. Based on other decisions they made during ST I would say it didn't. It isn't just that Berrios didn't start the year with the Twins. I disagree with him not starting the season in MN but I can at least understand it. Going to a 4 man rotation and giving Tepesch a start to keep him down was inexplicable.
  10. He has had more time with those coaches than Mejia at every level of the organization . If Mejia wasn't option A then he likely was option B. I'll give the FO the benefit of the doubt and say that decision wasn't made based on 14 innings pitched in ST.
  11. Unfortunately that possibility seems to be a pretty strong point of disagreement. I get that, but the people who have the most intimate knowledge of Berrios, the coaching and development staff, are all still in place. Falvey isn't "flying blind," for lack of a better term. To me the WBC/ST thing was an easier sell than simply saying "we want him to spend more time in AAA." The roster decisions during ST suggest they knew who was making the 25 man before the games started. That isn't an indictment or endorsement of the strategy. It's hard for me to imagine that if Berrios had thrown another 10 innings to match Mejia's total for the spring the decision would have been different.
  12. There was no twist, I was simply following the reasoning you laid out. Hmmm, maybe the incompetent one isn't me.... He becomes disgruntled, looses focus and his performance slips. He is bitter and holds the demotion against the Twins and they subsequently have no shot to keep him after his rookie deal expires.... That sounds like ridiculous speculation right? Well so does "he has to start on the road to avoid home boos," "he would lose all confidence," "he couldn't get comfortable with the MLB baseball,"....
  13. Dude, the point was they threw the same number of innings so "getting stretched out," to start the season was clearly possible...
  14. So by disagreeing with the move I'm calling the FO evil? Seems extreme... The whole pitching staff was garbage. They were looking to bring back in it's entirety what was one of the worst starting rotations in baseball. Included in that staff was a guy coming off major surgery who looked like a shell of himself and a rookie who had thrown all of 2 innings at the major league level. You don't have to dig too hard to see why it might make sense to give your top prospect, who also happens to be a pitcher and was absolutely dominant for over 200 innings in AAA a shot at the 5 spot. There was no risk involved. They cut bait on Mejia after 3 games. There were a lot of players that are still on this team who were bad last year. If the performance of the previous year was grounds for removal they wouldn't have been able to field a 25 man.
  15. I haven't seen a single post calling the team insane, evil, or incompetent. I wanted Berrios sooner, and I wish Mejia would've been given a longer leash. Isn't that having it both ways? Can't I want a top pitching prospect up and also want to see him given every opportunity to perform well? Why throw him back out there to fail again? I'll say it again, every argument for this being the "right," or "responsible," handling seems to come from the above belief. His last few starts don't validate that view anymore than they support him starting the season in the rotation. However, they're conveniently being used as affirmation that the repeat of AAA was necessary. That has been my argument the whole time. They couldn't know how he was going to fare until they let him throw against MLB hitters. I wish they would've done it sooner. Who knows how it would've turned out, but just as I can't proclaim he would've pitched like this in April, nobody else can say he's doing this because he wasn't up at that time.
  16. So he couldn't be ready to start the season because there would be too much media attention? I'm not saying it's meaningless, and I've been on the Park train since they won the right to sign him, but he clearly wasn't being considered for the 25 man going into ST. The same FO locked Hughes in after 2 poor starts. I'm not getting into the argument of how often true position battles should occur. Based on those type of moves it appears the FO knew who they were bring north before the games started. That's fine, but I'm tired of hearing that Berrios "did this to himself," by going to the WBC. Hyperbole much? There is a massive difference between bumping a starter back one game and running out some ridiculous 7 man rotation. I hope you can understand that difference... Avoid a home booing? Really? How frail is he? I seriously doubt they needed to hand pick his first start of the season. Reach....
  17. Meh, I think he would've been fine coming in after the offseason but we'll never know.
  18. Its an easy comparison when they threw the same amount of innings for the same team in the same tournament. Berrios has been a professional athlete for years now, he knows how to get his body ready. Check out some of his workout clips on twitter... I thought we were past winning spots in ST. Players are given positions based on "reputation," and expectations all the time. The 2017 Twins were no different. If the process was really that important they would've had Park on the bench as a 1B/DH instead of Sano and Gimenez giving Mauer time off at 1B. Its a 162 game season, they should be taking rest days where they can get them. Last I checked Cleveland is a pretty damn good team. You're reaching at this point.
  19. There isn't an answer for those points other than the Twins for some reason weren't keen on having one of their better pitchers in the rotation.... This organization is almost the exact same as it was the past 6 seasons. "He sealed his own fate. Seems to have worked out though." That says it all. The minute he was sent down any success he would have when he came back would automatically be attributed to going back to AAA. I can't say he would've started the year this well, I said in other threads the only way to know he was ready was to let him pitch for the Twins. In the same way, neither can you nor anybody else make the claim that the extra month + of minor league pitching flipped the switch, yet it's consistently being lauded on these forums as "the right move," and "the right time."
  20. Check those IPs bud... Santiago 8.2 Berrios 6.2 Tell you, feel free to make a starting 5 out of those guys and I'll take 5 Berrioses..
  21. It's relevant when they pitch the same amount of innings and we're told one can't be in the rotation because it would take too long to get stretched out. That obviously wasn't the case as Hector had no problem getting ready to start the second game of the season. If it's familiarity or the need to see him pitch I already pointed out that this is essentially the same FO that has watched Berrios the past few seasons. I've already touched on the ST aspect. If lack of MLB success/experience was the determining factor then why was Mejia the 5th starter? He had basically no MLB experience and the few innings he threw didn't go well last season. Obviously I wanted him to start the season with the Twins. It was disappointing that he didn't but I was a little excited to see Mejia as well. Honestly, I don't think Mejia was given enough rope but they made the call to send him down. From that point on, the 4 man rotation and the Tepesch start were just asinine.
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