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Agreed, I'm pushing back against the notion that the shuffling is what makes a team like Milwaukee successful. Not that I'm defending the Twins FO here, but there hasn't exactly been a ton of talent to ship out early. You don't miss the postseason 4x in 5 seasons because you're uber talented. An ability to identify, but more importantly develop talent is what keeps you competitive. You can't constatly shuffle the deck and struggle to develop positional talent like the Twins have. You're Pittsburgh at that point. As far as net gain/loss, Idk, that probably depends on how you want to slice it, and I definitely don't care enough to parse that one out. The Kepler and Polanco thing, eh, yes and no. I think there's a lot of hindsight there. Julien has totally flamed out, and Lee hasn't hit, so it's not like there was much pushing Polanco off 2B. I guess Wallner and/or Larnach could've taken over a year earlier, but they haven't exactly lit it up either. Again, not defending the lack of development in this org, but I can kinda understand why they'd hang onto Polanco and/or Kepler if they saw themselves in a competitive window. Concur, it's not debatable, Milwaukee is far more aggressive. As an outsider, I can appreciate that I guess. If I was more invested in the team, Idk how much I'd love it.
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Yes, but having Joey Ortiz and either settling for what he is or convincing yourself of the promise he could fulfill, whichever way you want to spin it, can also prevent you from attempting to upgrade. There's an opportunity cost associated with locking yourself into a decent glove/poor bat SS too. I'm using the names that were thrown out there, but on the ledger, you're going to see a lot more zero or minimal gain returns. Sometimes even I walk out of the casino up. Yeah, snagging Contreras was a great move, but it's the opposite of what's being pushed; sell established talent. If the Twins can find a team dumb enough to trade them a young AS C for a prospect, my god, do it. Sure, you can hope everything coalesces at the perfect time and maybe you squeeze out a magical season(s) but that's more about peddling hope than building and/or sustaining anything. Concur, I think the Twins' refusal to "buy," cost them time with what was an admittedly flawed window of contention. The tl;dr here is that I don't believe Milwaukee (or insert whichever wannabe poverty franchise) is good because they constantly shuffle the deck. The turnover is more of a bug than a feature. Elite talent (particularly pitching) is hard to find. You don't get better sending it out.
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Who cares about an ERA in 3.2 IP? It's not even worth mentioning. Honestly I think the fan base underrated how unavailable Stewart was with the Twins, particularly when referring to him as a "weapon," or some kind of stalwart in the pen. That said, he had years of control left, so it's not like he was some expiring that needed to be moved, and his value might've peaked when MN sold. Outman was roster fodder in LA. The Twins got another LH OF, one who has struggled massively with the bat, to add to their every growing collection of LH OFers. The fit, the timing of the swap, and really the lack of value in return makes the move questionable at best. We can point to the fact that Stewart is having shoulder issues and his best case scenario is making it back for the postseason, but if you're the Dodgers you don't care. You dropped an unusable player for a potential difference making relief arm. They make that move 100/100 times.
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How many Twins fans are satisfied with Brooks Lee over the last two seasons? Why is he the bar the clear here?
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Their value isn't relative to how their team is performing, which is kinda the point here. We're attributing Milwaukee's winning to them acquiring guys performing like fringe players. Giving up elite talent for spare parts isn't a zero sum game. It's thinks it's possible, likely even, but I'd stop short of "should." At the risk of running this off course I'll say that Idgaf about the Pohlads lining their pockets, and I know you don't either, but gutting a team you have zero interest in reinvesting in doesn't do it for me. We'll be sold the hope of a rebuild, youth, yada yada, but that's a carrot. The same FO that has struggled with development, now being granted immunity and overseeing a rebuild isn't ideal.
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Of course, but what's the actual floor you're stabilizing right? Sure, Ortiz might not be an abject disaster as a player, but a SS who can't hit and is on pace to post 1 WAR is the type of guy you're looking to move on from. I know he's young and obviously Milwaukee isn't sending him after this season, but barring a pretty significant offensive rebound they won't hang onto him through arbitration. That kinda gets to the crux of things, which is does Milwaukee win because they make these moves, or despite the fact that they make these moves. I'd argue it's primarily the latter. I know everybody wants to be the Rays, or I guess the Brewers now, but unless you're way ahead of the curve both identifying and developing talent, you're more likely to be Pittsburgh. I don't there's any disagreement with this part.
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Handing somebody 400-500 PAs for 1-2 WAR that is primarily defensive isn't great value (cost controlled or not) particularly when you're exchanging that for an elite SP. Ortiz is literally just a better defensive version of Lee this season but that makes him a building block? Durbin is at the very bottom of qualified 3B offensively. Right next to Royce actually, and there's been plenty of moaning (rightfully so) about Lewis's struggles. I don't think there's any misunderstanding about what the return will likely be. The disagreement is whether or not sending out elite talent and subsequently trying to spread that level of production amongst 2 or positions makes you a better team.
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I think that depends on your level of commitment to that "something." Aren't Durbin and/or Ortiz kinda clones of those roster afterthoughts you're talking about? Speed or defense guys that can't really hit. You can hide them in a lineup during the regular season but against better competition, i.e. the playoffs, they're going to be exposed.
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Cumulative WAR is a poor metric for these swaps. Good for both Durbin and Ortiz that they can play enough defense to not be negative contributors a la Julien, but Eddy doesn't look like a MLB caliber player at this point so Idk why that's the bar we're trying to clear. If you need to commit 2 roster spots, and 400-500 PAs each to a very light hitting 3B and SS just to eek out 1-2 WAR each that's not an equivalent exchange for a legit Cy Young arm, even with limited team control.
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You keep repeating this, despite the fact that it isn't true.... Both sample sizes matter. I'm not sure what's controversial about that.... Was Gonzalez a top 100 prospect or are you stretching that too? I know he wasn't close to being a consensus pick for those lists. I'll say it again, a prospect who has contributed nothing, and a RP you can only trust in low leverage (and missed an entire season) + an injured SP for Polanco was "highway robbery,"....
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More like the new PIttsburgh. Go nowhere, do nothing, sell everything of value. Rinse, wash, repeat.
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But but but.....all that debt they've incurred because of operating costs.....don't tell me that wasn't true.....
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For sure. Throw it on the pile of other F*** You that have been directed at the fans.
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Good thing they had the fire sale to create all that spending room for the impending new owners.... Falvey is a lock to stick around as long as he wants. I'm sure another Rocco extension is currently being hammered out behind the scenes. Such an unserious franchise; all you can do is laugh.
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I've never been a huge Correa fan as far as personality goes (too crafted) but we're blaming him for young guys not developing? I mean c'mon.... His "protege," Jose Miranda has been terrible in AAA this year. Does the Correa Effect stretch all the way to St. Paul?
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He wasn't when they traded him, and he's bounced back this year. Getting zero from Topa and DeSclafani doesn't somehow push the deal in favor of the Twins. Idk how planning to hand somebody the 5th spot in the rotation isn't counting on them but ok. Was last season not rough? He was by all accounts a butcher in the field. He didn't hit for power and it's not like he was an on base machine. That's not a great combo for a guy who profiles as a DH. He was almost an afterthought as far as prospects go entering the season. He's had a nice run for 4 months. That's not minimizing anything. All I said was pump the brakes on acting like this swap is some kind of highway robbery...
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I was told that's how you build bullpen "depth." Keep sinking innings into past their prime journeymen with zero future here while arms you've invested in find their way off the 40 man. Makes sense right?
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The Twins were banking on DeSclafani in the rotation and Topa in the pen last year. Neither contributed at all. Gonzalez was also pretty bad at AA. If you're excited about 4 months this year, cool, but I'd pump the brakes on "highway robbery," talk.
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Twins (TBD) vs Tigers (Flaherty): 8/6/25, 12:10pm
KirbyDome89 replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Archived Game Threads
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Twins (TBD) vs Tigers (Flaherty): 8/6/25, 12:10pm
KirbyDome89 replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Archived Game Threads
Their tv crew was laughing at the Yankees' struggles earlier in the inning. Count your blessings your play in the ALC boys.... -
No, the bullpen was built on failed SPs turned RPs within the organization. This team was still trading for, and giving innings to, guys like Dylan Floro and Trevor Richards the last few seasons.
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Some nebulous bull**** that'll get walked back to mean "had one decent game."
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No, I'm saying that I disagree that Adams has "flashed," which was the post I responded to.
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I have zero faith that he's anything of value, but stashing him at AAA is more embarrassing than watching him flop with the Twins IMO.
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Idk how people can forget how bad this team was from 2011 through 2016. It wasn't that long ago....
