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As far as the cost goes...would you rather have Kiermaier for 1yr/12M or Soto 1yr/15M (after we subtract some of of payroll in trade) and a top 100 prospect not named Lee or Jenkins? *keep in mind we would get draft pick compensation from Soto later on, as mentioned earlier in thread.

You all make really good points...I appreciate the feedback! *just want to reiterate my initial proposal to get Soto: it would be a package built around Kepler and Kirilloff...not solely those 2.

Juan Soto is a top 10 hitter in all of MLB and Pete Alonso is a 40/120 guy every year when healthy. Both, more than likely, would be 1-year rentals...Soto at $27M and Alonso at $21M. Are either worth getting in a trade? Both? Should the Twins be interested? What would you give up? For myself, I would package a deal around Kepler and Kirilloff for Soto (and then do everything possible to sign Yamamoto). Would a move like this bolster our lineup enough to make it to the promise land next year? Would the juice be worth the squeeze?

I'm not talking career...I mean right now. They are pretty even, with a higher average/less power from Kiermaier. I'd rather have a little extra pop. They can both swipe a bag when needed...pretty close there too. I don't think it is obvious who the better hitter is by any means...I think it's a coin toss. It comes down to contracts and if you want a left or right handed bat.

Is he, though?

Exactly...this is why I'd roll the dice on Yamamoto and spend big instead.

For Kirby...yes. He is really good. And we need another Kirby around here!

Going to take a lot to get either of the 2.

Would love the Twins to make a run on Soto and Yamamoto. And Frodo. And Toto.

C: Christian Vazquez ($10.00M) and Trevor Larnach ($.77M) *Get traded to White Sox, Marlins, or San Diego in the Soto deal 2B: Jorge Polanco ($10.50M) *Gets traded to Orioles, Brewers, Mets, Mariners, or Blue Jays RF: Max Kepler ($10.00M) 1B: Alex Kirilloff ($1.70M) RP: Cole Sands ($0.75M)RP: Jovani Moran ($0.75M) *Get traded to San Diego *These trades and signings leave us with a payroll around $145.00M* 1B: Edouard Julien/Matt Wallner 2B: Brooks Lee ($0.77M) 3B: Royce Lewis ($0.77M) SS: Carlos Correa ($33.33M) LF: Matt Wallner ($0.77M) CF: Byron Buxton ($15.00M) RF: Juan Soto ($30.00M - arb estimate is $27.00) DH: Edouard Julien ($0.77M) 4th OF: Willi Castro ($3.20M) Utility: Jose Miranda ($0.77M) Utility: Kyle Farmer ($6.60M) C: Ryan Jeffers ($2.30M) Backup C: Jair Camargo (Chris Williams #3) SP1: Pablo Lopez ($8.25M) SP2: Yoshinobu Yamamoto ($31.00M) SP3: Joe Ryan ($0.77M) SP4: Bailey Ober ($0.77M) SP5: Chris Paddack ($2.53M) RP: Jhoan Duran ($0.77M) RP: Brock Stewart ($0.77M) RP: Griffin Jax ($0.77M) RP: Jorge Alcala ($1.00M) RP: Caleb Thielbar ($3.00M) RP: Louie Varland ($0.77M) RP: Kody Funderburk ($0.77M) LINEUP: Eddie J Brooks Lee Rolls Royce Soto Correa Wallner Farmer/Castro Jeffers Buxton

Now that we signed Kepler to 1 more year, we need to package him in a deal for Soto. I don't care if we end up getting only 1 year our of him...although obviously I'd love an extension. For those of you a little down on Soto...think about this: there were 10 players in all of MLB with an OPS .900 or higher. This list does not include Kyle Tucker, Corbin Carroll, or Austin Riley. Soto's was .930 in not his best year...

I would give Yamamoto anything he wants. His small frame scares me, but worth the risk. Give him 7/210.

Absolutely need to kick the tires on Soto. A few things to think about: 1) Would Buxton waive his no-trade clause to play in San Diego (many would)? 2) Would SD have any interest in Vasquez? Kepler? Polanco? 3) We have a lot of depth in prospects. A package around #1 or #2 with a few prospects in the 5-30 range might get it done.

The A's have some bad boys coming up! I wonder who they will get traded to!

I clicked on the Fangraphs link, but was unable to find out who finished 1-3 in plus+...Miller is pretty dirty and was at 4. Anyone know who 1-3 were?

Welcome to the club! Turns out when a game is (160?? 200?? years old) older than dirt, there will always be changes and new things to figure out. Have to love it! Ken Burns needs to come out with a "pre-history of baseball." Does he talk about Louis and Clark playing with the natives in the first episode? maybe he does.

Thanks for listing those numbers! Much appreciated! My initial guess was 2 strike counts would lead to weaker contact, and therefor, more DPs with 2 strikes. Maybe this was the approach years ago? Maybe the approach has now shifted to "look to drive the ball with 2 strikes and if you strike out it is better than a double play." A bit surprising but it makes complete sense. My apologies if this is redundant in this conversation.

Can anyone find data on % of double plays hit into across MLB with 2 strikes? Just curious...good conversation.

We disagree on this. Let's leave it at that and move on.

Our definitions of rare are very different. You guys are talking names (and not that many) within the last 5-25 years. This to me is rare. To each their own.

You haven't heard? That never happened...😆😆😆

Joe Smith and the Twolves happened how many years ago? It is extremely rare when this happens...in any sport. You need a reality check if you think otherwise.

Tell this to my Angel buddies and they will laugh at you. The Angels have been a joke of an organization and continue to make mind-boggling moves every year. Angel fans (die-hard) are done with them...especially if they do not re-sign Sho Hei the Money. I am not saying there are a lot of teams to make this happen. I am saying I would not be surprised if it did. I could easily see him becoming a Dodger. I also did not say the Twins WANT to get rid of him. I am saying we could sell high on him now, as the thread asks for ideas...

Fair points...but some teams might see his poor offensive season due to his plantar fasctisissitis, and bet on him bouncing back. I see him declining in a year even without injury. Good points though.

I'm not as big of fan as Carlos as many of you (which is weird because I loved him when he was coming up). All good. I hope he does well for as long as he is a Twin.