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Hmm... I'm in Leigh Valley tonight... of course, I really want to see Meyer or Berrios...

yeah, under no circumstances should guys like Jorge be danged. Looks like a pretty decent pitching prospect.

Liriano for Escobar as well. Butera for Sulbaran Sulbaran for Nunez Ryan can make decent trades. That's not the issue with the FO.

I don't think the problem with the front office is finding talent... developing it on the other hand seems to be an org issue. TR is the guy that asks the world for everyone, which is why we don't see a whole lot of trades out of him. Fortunately, for a guy like Dozier, someone might pay. Now what we do with the talent received is a bigger issue.

My choices would be Plouffe, Dozier, Suzuki, Abad, Nolasco, and Boshers. I'd be happy if they traded off half of those guys, and ecstatic if they traded off more.

Depends on which rapper he hit and how hard.

Not sure I'd call it a true rebuild, other than finishing the one they started a few years ago. You don't dump the young talent on the team, you just need to shed the vets that are blocking said talent or guys who won't be present when the young guys figure things out. The only real 'rebuild' type decision at this point is more to do with Dozier who would count as a cornerstone piece but is also blocking Polanco.

Santana might be the better trade chip, but I think I'd rather DFA/trade Nolasco and keep Santana. I don't see him netting much and think he'd be of more value to the Twins on the team than through whatever he'd get.

This just irks me... not what, 2 weeks after Arcia? Ouch.

Guess my only point is that he's a college guy doing what college guys should do in rookie league ball. I'd like to see if he keeps this up in CR and then in FTM over the next year. He rates much higher on my list if he does... Good luck to him.

My favorite win against the whitesox was a game I got to attend at the cell. Santana was masterful, but the Sox clawed back against the pen to take it into extras... don't remember who hit the game winning hit (think it was Bartlett), bit I oh so enjoyed that game...

This issue for Dozier (to me at least) comes down to whether or not he can help when this team is competitive again. I have to think that with 2016 being as it is, 2017 won't be that good, which means Brian's final year is the only year where there's a possibility of fielding a competitive team with him on it. That begs the question (in my opinion at least) of should he stay or should he go. I really think a trade there should be explored. I'm not sure Polanco can match Dozier's numbers in 2017, or possibly even ever, but he should be a decent 2B and he's under control for quite a bit longer. Polanco can be a part of the future, Dozier likely won't be. I think I trade him, though I do agree with Brock that it's quite possible this is an offseason move. It certainly won't be a post July move as he won't clear waivers.

2B Jorge Polanco SS Eduardo Escobar 1B Joe Mauer 3B Miguel Sano RF Max Kepler LF Eddie Rosario DH Byung-ho park (possibly Vargas) C Wilson Ramos CF FA BN = Vargas, Murphy, Nunez, Grossman, Beresford. This is not a batting order. Might scrap Beresford for a 4 man bench depending on staff. Go big or go home in FA on C (and yes, I know I'm dreaming on Ramos, that's what I would do though as there's not really a ton of help in the minors. Garver might be ready at some point, but he's far from a sure thing).

I'd rather not bring back contraction thank you very much.

I'm really not sure you can assume that. Desmond's year so far might be on that loaded lineup or the fact he's playing half his games in a bandbox that is Texas. I'm sorry, but most of this really is hindsight. Levi is right. People would have rightfully castigated the FO for trading off a 1st rounder for this pickup, and I don't think we can assume he'd simply have done as well here. The FO made mistakes this offseason... not sure this was one of them.

holy crap... 7 RBI for Kepler. Need more game threads leading with puppies and explosives.

B+ (using Sickle's scale) is top 100. I'd part with Nunez in a heart beat if they got something like that. I don't think the return is going to be that good. Dozier, on the other hand, should get that. He has 2 years of control left plus the half season. He's cheap, wanted FA, and well above average. I'd deal him if I were the Twins. I doubt they are competitive in 2017, which means 2018 is the soonest it happens at this point, and he's gone after that.

Honestly, I'd think Beresford would get a shot ahead of him if there's a 40 man add.

fyi, mixed up SLG/OPS in Palka's numbers.... Speaking of Palka... wow... that's some dominance. Nice to see Kirilloff getting off to a good start. Hope that continues.

Welcome to the beginning of the holiday festivities. My family and I got to miss yesterday's loss in exchange for a 7 hour drive up to the middle of nowhere in Northern Michigan. The drive was much like the Twins season: long and painful with the destination being hell on earth. So now I'm spending the weekend with a bunch of Tigers fans who think WAR is something we need to declare on the rest of the world. Did I mention they are all Tigers fans? Enough about my misery. The Twins attempt to end a 3 game losing streak, but at the same time hold a comfortable 2 game lead for the top pick in the 2017 draft. Tyler Duffey takes the mound attempting to improve what has been a dismal season for him. American league hitters seemed to have finally figured the young pitcher out. After an impressive 2015 and a decent start in 2016, Duffey has looked much more hittable. On the other hand, the Rangers are toeing the mound with Chi Chi Gonzalez. The 24 year old was pretty decent last year in 14 games and 10 starts posting an MLB ERA of 3.90. Like Duffey, he ended up starting the year in AAA. His 2016 hasn't been as good, posting results in AAA far worse than his career norms. He was shelled for 5 runs in 5 innings in his only start this year. Gonzalez originally attended Oral Roberts school of Dentistry, but after learning he did not have the fine motor skills to drill teeth, nor the excessive desire to inflict pain on others that is a pre-requisite to all dentists, he decided to pursue a baseball career instead. He was good enough to get drafted in the 1st round in 2013 by the Rangers. Things to think about... Well, the mood at TD is rather somber, so let's think about positive things. 1. Puppies - It's hard not to like puppies. After all, dogs are the one species more likely to show unconditional love than any other species. Cats on the other hand, are nothing more than pure evil taking physical form. I have two puppies in my avatar, though to be fair, neither are technically puppies anymore. The husky has passed on a few years back at the ripe old age of 16 while the black one just turned 11. He's like the Minnesota Twins of dogs, cowering at loud noises and running away when someone comes home at a late hour. The only exception is deliver trucks... Clearly those came directly from the pit of hell. We replaced the husky with a Doberman-Rottweiler mix. You'd think given the breeds that she would be a decent guard dog, but alas, her only skill is licking someone to death, and considering all the things she deems as 'food,' death is likely to come from bacterial poisoning. At 90ish pounds, she looks formative, but she is really just a big softy that doesn't know her own strength. 2. Blowing things up - No, not the Twins front office, though that may be a positive as well. Explosives are fun. Guns are fun. Now before you think I'll go all crazy on someone, we are up in the middle of nowhere where we can go shoot guns and launch fireworks on a large amount of private land with no one else around and no alcohol to prevent 'hold my beer and watch this' moments. So fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your perspective, this mod will likely still be moderating come July 5. 3. Independence - Politics in this country is probably the one thing that people get more upset about than the main forum on Twins Daily. On Monday, it will be the two hundred fortieth anniversary of our nation's freedom. In some sort of strange American thing, we celebrate this by drinking large amounts of alcohol and setting off explosives. Now that I think about this, I'm really wondering how it is America's population continues to grow. 4. Lakes - Minnesota is the land of 10,000 lakes, which is odd given that they have over 20,000 lakes 5 acres in size or more. Michigan is also the land of 10,000 lakes, having 11,000 lakes of 5 acres in size or more. People in Michigan claim to live in God's country, and that they can make it that way by putting the title 'grand' in front of every other city name, road name, or outhouse, and of course they named their great lake after their state. Minnesotans are a bit more passive aggressive, naming their great lake 'Superior.' I'll be out on a lake for a good chunk of the weekend, which as a positive means I won't be watching the Twins. Unfortunately, I'm sure my father in law will be have the Tigers on his Tivo. 5. Vacations - Vacations are nice. There's nothing quite like a 5 day weekend, and that comes from a person who likes his day job. Regardless, time off from said job has its perks as well. Lineups: Twins: TBA Duffey - P Rangers: TBA Gonazlez - P

Funny, the offseason plan forum is rather empty. Park wasn't really in my plans b/c I didn't realize he was available so to speak. Truthfully though, I'm not going to castigate a team for taking a gamble to add potentially difference making talent. Those are the types of moves I'd like them to make. What I'm not thrilled about is the stubborn insistence to leave a guy like Park up longer than necessary and letting him to continue his futility at the MLB level while DFAing Arcia (I think we agree there). As for Park, I think AAA can do him some good. He may need to see major league pitches, but just like any other guy who hasn't played at this level, it might behoove him to work on hitting AAA pitching, as I assume he can learn a lot there too. AAA exists for a reason, and that "AAA junk" is still likely superior to what he saw in Korea. It doesn't hurt to give him a few months of development time.

No Dozier?

I assumed you had plans on killing and eating it...

It's a 100 loss team. Find a warm body to play CF for the year to be honest. Buxton isn't ready. He's there defensively, but not offensively, and he's not getting better. That's my issue there. He couldn't hit major league pitching at the beginning of the season and he still cannot right now.

This... if we were a 90 win team fighting for playoffs, then moves like Arcia start to make sense. They still suck, but they make sense. We won't be this year, or probably next.