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  1. And this brings us back full circle to "if they're bad they're not worth much anyways," and we wouldn't want/need/whatever to trade them if they were good because the team would most likely be in a much better place in the standings. Those 2 really need to figure their stuff out. The entire franchise is really relying on it.
  2. That's fair, just not the strategy I'd take. I just don't see them being able to get someone better for next year, or the year after even, than good Polanco. They have holes all over the lineup that need to be filled. I don't see adding another hole by trading Polanco as something that leads to fewer holes in the lineup in the near future. If you're blowing it up for 2 or 3 years down the road it's a different conversation. And at that point I'm asking Buxton to waive his no trade, and moving both him and C4 as well.
  3. Why is it irrelevant? Your stance was that you wouldn't sign a "good player" because the plan was to have a young guy "take the reigns." You said that was giving up "on the plan just when it was ready to bear fruit." It's not irrelevant to ask if you'd forego signing a different "good player" if you had a different young guy ready to "take the reigns." Pick whatever good, proven, top 30 MLB talent you want, and whatever top pick, ready for a fulltime shot in the majors prospect you want. Doesn't have to be Trout and Carroll. But if it's really about offseason decision making on passing on elite talent for a prospect then whether or not you'd do it with other players is entirely relevant. Royce Lewis has a fulltime position right now with the Twins. Has since he's been eligible to come off the IL. But you would rather that fulltime position be SS, and the Twins not have a top 30 talent in Correa. That's a bold statement that should be able to be backed up with more than "irrelevant" when presented with other players who fit those categories.
  4. I can understand the whole "we need depth" thing in general, but keeping Kepler around doesn't seem to be about that since they continue to hit him leadoff, or the 6 hole. I don't see any defense for not DFAing him and giving Wallner a shot. I'm not a huge Wallner believer as I think the swing and miss, and lack of defense, will lead to him being just another guy, but there's a chance he's really good. We know Kepler isn't. They picked Wallner early for a reason. Time to let him sink or swim. I'm not a fan of trading Polanco, unless they know his legs are just going to keep getting worse and worse, and he isn't himself anymore. I don't see anyone outside of Lewis or Lee who have a real shot at out playing him, and I don't see Lee being ready this year. I'd like to see Polanco's option picked up for next year, unless they're really blowing things up. But, even then, I'd pick up the option and trade him in the offseason when a new regime is running things. But I don't know how this team succeeds without Buxton and Correa figuring things out.
  5. I think anytime you can sign a top 3 player at a position, or top 20-30 player in all of baseball, you do it. Would you not sign Mike Trout because you have a young Corbin Carroll ready to debut?
  6. While I'm not opposed to a hitting coach change, can we stop pretending hitting coaches are some magical fix to things? Rowson is brought up weekly around here. After he left MN he went to Miami who had a terrible offense while he was there. He's now the hitting coach in Detroit. They have scored the fewest runs in all of baseball this year. Hitting coaches can't turn bad hitters into good ones. Their influence is marginal. It's why the average tenure of an MLB hitting coach is less than 3 years. You'd think if they were out there fixing guys left and right teams would hold onto them like gold. Instead they get fired less than 3 years after they get hired.
  7. "I'm not going to analyze 6 years of moves" is your stance? You realize that's literally what you were claiming to be doing when you presented your "intern GM" idea, right? Falvine have failed at their jobs. I'm ready to move on. But your "intern GM" idea is out there. The idea that any of us (other than the couple of actual front office personnel who comment from time to time) could actually run an MLB team is flat out ridiculous. "The straw argument that there would be not pitching does not fly" is an interesting sentence when your whole idea is that you'd just take away all their moves and then just do good ones instead. OK, you win, if we take away all the bad moves the FO made, and just assume the moves a random "intern GM," or, apparently, any random TD poster, would make were good the team would be better. Guess I can't argue that. "If we don't sign players to extensions then we would have fielded trade proposals back which would have netted something back." Correct. My point is that you're just assuming those assets would be good. Mike and I weren't saying there'd be literally no pitching on the team, but that the FO has built one of the best rotations in baseball right now by having made moves. You can't just take away their moves and say you have any idea what the results would have been if they hadn't made them. The FO has failed. It's time for the whole brain trust to go. But they're not the worst FO in the league, let alone worse than "a majority of the people on this website." That's a ridiculous argument.
  8. I'm a no on this. Not because I don't think they need to make changes, but because if they're going to make changes I want them to be big changes, and I don't think this FO deserves the chance to make the big changes. This organization is in a tough spot. Correa and Buxton were/are supposed to be the foundation on which this offense is built. If they're bad, and they're terrible right now, this org is going to have a near impossible time scoring. It's really hard to replace your 3/4 hitters in the middle of a season when they turn into bench production bats. Tying back to this FO being allowed to make big changes, they're in "win now" mode. This FO had a plan, and have attempted to execute it. If they failed they shouldn't be allowed to be the ones to hit the reset button. If you're going to trade Gray and/or Polanco types you can't let this FO be the ones to do it. But you're not plucking a top guy from the Rays, Dodgers, Astros, whoever in the middle of the season to come in and make those big moves. This team needs to figure things out on their own. There's no magic trade to save them. Put the "young" guys in there and let them sink or swim. Don't trade prospects to try to make up for refusing to DFA Kepler, Correa, and Buxton being bad, and refusing to start Jeffers over Vazquez. Allowing this FO to try to save their jobs by putting any sort of dent in the farm system would be a mistake.
  9. To be fair to the triangle of power, they did drop Correa from the 3 hole today. To the 4 hole. 🤦‍♂️
  10. I haven't seen him mentioned as a likely target, but I'd take him over either one of those "high floor, low ceiling" Jacobs they're talking about. But I don't see any reason they should go outside the top 5. It's pretty rare to find 5 guys in a draft that every public ranker says would be a #1 pick almost any other season. I don't know how involved the new Pohlad is (it sounds like he offices out of Target Field so he's around), but I'd sure demand some incredible reasons to go outside the "best top 5 in over a decade" if I were him.
  11. I'd suggest you take a look at Rooker's numbers since April before you get too far down the road of missing him. Since May 1st he's hitting .213/.299/.352/.651 with 3 homeruns, and a 32.1% strikeout rate. Brent Rooker has officially returned to earth, and is Brent Rooker again.
  12. A number of the mock drafts coming out (so take these as just the rumors they are) have stated that sources are telling the writers that the Twins don't really want a HS bat (Clark especially sounds like he's not really on their board at all), and would look to take someone like Jacob Gonzalez or Jacob Wilson instead.
  13. How does 20 year old, high A ball Chase Petty help the current Twins situation? It's not even about defending Falvine, it's about this exercise you're attempting to do not really being useful. Which international signings would've been made with your "intern GM" in place? Why is MLB's scouting rankings the decision maker and not Baseball America, Keith Law, Fangraphs, etc. etc. etc., and what would those picks actually have been? To Mike's question, who would the rotation have been this year? If you're going to do the exercise do the whole exercise, and don't just pick out the bad moves and say "if these had never happened they'd be much better now." What would this team look like based on your "intern GM" theory? Go through every move they made and neutralize it with your "intern GM" idea and tell us what the 2023 MN Twins 26 Man roster would look like. Then we can see how improved it'd be.
  14. Yeah, my straw broke, too. I'll still end up defending some decisions, because they aren't all bad, but I'm done with them overall. My "stay or go" decision maker coming into the season was them showing an improved ability to adjust off "the plan" quicker than usual. They've failed. We're 62 games into the season, and I'm not seeing any changes being made to anything. Adding to the no bench/roster decisions (they've at least twice made injury decisions so last minute they couldn't call anyone up) complaint I'll add: Correa continues to hit 3 hole (Falvine and Rocco are all the same to me as I believe it's a 3 man decision making triangle), Kepler still has a job, they continue to not only employ Kyle Garlick, but hit him for Alex Kirilloff simply because he was the first lefty to face a lefty, and just show an overall lack of ability to make true shifts in season. They have an idea of what these guys "should" be capable of, and they run the team based off that while only making changes in the offseason. They're going to watch the season burn because of their inability to make "quick" adjustments. I'd like to see them all fired before the draft if the rumors are true that they're looking at passing on one of the top 5 guys. Filling their roles in season is not ideal by any means, but we're staring Total System Failure in the face again, and something has to be done to right this ship before July.
  15. Yeah, I'm not suggesting Taylor is an answer to the CF problems here. Just that his SB numbers, and those of the 2 guys you mentioned, are awfully respectable. Overall, the Twins lack CF options right now. I wouldn't mind seeing Castro there more, but his defense out there is quite questionable. He's learning it, and not a butcher, but at this point this team needs to win games 1-0, 2-1, or 3-2 most nights. I don't think Castro brings enough offense above what MAT does to justify the loss in defense in CF. I don't think MAT, or Castro, are answers to anything, but I also don't think they're the biggest questions we have. I'd replace Kepler before I replaced MAT. I'd stop pinch hitting for Kirilloff with Garlick just because Kirilloff is the first lefty to face a lefty (I'd DFA Garlick and never invite him back, actually). I'd drop Correa to the bottom of the order. I'd play Jeffers over Vazquez 65% of the time. I think those are all bigger answers to the Twins questions than MAT in CF.
  16. Yeah, I'm not going to do this. This thread is about the complex league, and the conversation that was taking place was about the future of the Twins and what that'd look like. You tried to get a "got ya" moment on me for suggesting I'd like Polanco on the team for the upcoming seasons while discussing Lewis, Martin, Lee and the future of the young Twins. You didn't get me. It's alright. There'll be more opportunities. I'm not going to participate in derailing this thread about young players when you know very well that that's what was being discussed.
  17. I was joking with the general idea, but it's been pretty widely accepted that he's been one of the best defenders in baseball for years. Being amongst the best in the league at anything is an asset in same way, shape, or form. Being one of the best defenders in baseball makes him a "useful or valuable thing, person, or quality." You don't have to be a 5 tool star to be an asset. He's certainly not the ideal starting CFer, but he's got some value.
  18. Hey now, JT stole 21 bags last year. That was 14th most in all of baseball. And Freeman got 13, which was good for 34th in baseball. If you're in the top 15 in any category in the entire league you're doing something right. Top 35 is pretty solid, too. Don't hate on the big boys and their base stealing skills.
  19. If you have all stars at the other 8 lineup spots and only need really good defense in CF I think he's an asset as one of the best fielders in baseball. 😀
  20. Knowing how the start of the season has gone, do people feel the Twins would have more wins today with Arraez in the lineup than with Lopez in the rotation? Things I find to be of note here: the Marlins, even with Arraez hitting .400, are currently 25th in baseball in runs scored. Who would be the pitcher replacing Lopez in the rotation since Mahle and Maeda went down? It would've been Ober to start the year, then Varland, but we'd have Dobnak, SWR, Headrick, or Smeltzer taking Varland's 47 innings this year. It's hard to predict exactly which ABs Arraez would've taken from people, but I think it's awfully fair to assume he'd have been a relatively significant plus on the vast majority outside of maybe the Kirilloff ABs, and Gallo's early season bombs. I think it's pretty hard to judge exactly what the difference in win total would be if they'd not made the trade. There's so much that goes into "grading" trades beyond just what the players in the trade do. As some have pointed out, the Twins felt they were trading from an area of strength (IF bats) for an area of weakness (starting rotation). I think we can all agree they were right that the rotation was a weakness, at least. I don't know what they knew/felt about Polanco, Buxton, and Kirilloff's injury situations in January when this trade was made. Since 2B, DH, and 1B are really the positions we should expect they'd have played Arraez that information seems key to me. Did they think Polanco was coming into the year at 100%? Did they know then that they'd be making Buxton the DH? Did they think Kirilloff would be ready early, if not opening day? I can definitely understand their logic if the thought process was that they were better off with Lopez in the rotation, and those 3 guys covering Arraez's 3 spots than with Arraez in 1 of those spots, 1 of the other guys on the bench/minors (Kirilloff), and an unproven arm in the rotation, with even less rotation depth than they have now. I know people hate hearing about "the process," but that's a good process (if that's what the process was). Was it good execution? We don't know for sure yet, but it's not great to this point. I think it kind of summarizes this FO well, though. Better processes than the previous regime, but lacking some execution. And that leaves them in this awful purgatory, middle ground of a slightly above average, to slightly below average, team.
  21. Don't be in too much of a hurry to mark Rooker as a missed eval. Ignoring that 2 other teams waived him before he got to Oakland, his line in April was unsustainable, and it showed in May when he hit 2 HRs, and slashed .198/.290/.327/.616 while striking out 38 times in 25 starts. Luke Raley is 28, and the Dodgers got rid of him as well. He was terrible in small samples for them and the Rays the last 2 years. Maybe he's figuring something out now, but I'd give it a little more time before we label him as a major miss. He's actually the type of Sabato, Buxton, Gallo hitter you don't like. Tons of strikeouts, and swing and misses, but when he hits it he does major damage. That being said, I miss Arraez as well. He was my favorite Twin the last few years, and I still give my buddies updates on him vs Tony Gwynn at this point of his career. I love watching him hit, it's a work of art. I didn't like trading him, but understood they needed more pitching, and he was the cost. Lopez looked like he was getting back to his start of the year self against Cleveland, then fell apart. I don't know what to make of him. I really hope he gets closer to the current Gray/Ryan level because that's what they thought they were getting, and paying for. If he's a number 4 starter this trade was a disaster (assuming neither prospect is the next Mike Trout). I expect Arraez to fade down the stretch like he typically does, but I'm still going to miss him on the Twins. I try to watch as many Miami games as I can to see him do his thing. He was fun.
  22. Same reason I don't want Polanco at SS, he doesn't have the arm for it. He's not capable of playing 3B so why would I advocate for him to be moved there? Lee and Lewis are both capable of playing 2B, and 3B. They're interchangeable pieces so when it comes to making the decision between them I'd put the one with the most range up the middle. So my "theory" is valid all the time, there's just the caveat that the players I'm comparing are capable of playing both positions. But Polanco is one of their best players, so I want him around for a while. I'd prefer Buxton be able to play some CF so Polanco can get some DH ABs over the next couple years. But I don't see Lee being in the bigs for another year anyways so it's not that big of a concern right now.
  23. The Athletic reports that a team looking to acquire Aroldis Chapman now, instead of waiting 2 months til the deadline, would either have to part with "a better prospect package to gain control of Chapman for nearly four months...rather than two months," or "accept Chapman as part of a package deal...enabling KC to shed payroll." Salvador Perez and Scott Barlow are the players mentioned in the piece as possible players they'd want to package with Chapman. I don't know what kind of package they'd want for Chapman and Barlow, but that'd be a way to instantly transform the Twins pen, and Barlow has 1 more year of arbitration to help next year as well. I'd think it's worth a call to the Royals to see what they'd want for those 2. View full rumor
  24. The Athletic reports that a team looking to acquire Aroldis Chapman now, instead of waiting 2 months til the deadline, would either have to part with "a better prospect package to gain control of Chapman for nearly four months...rather than two months," or "accept Chapman as part of a package deal...enabling KC to shed payroll." Salvador Perez and Scott Barlow are the players mentioned in the piece as possible players they'd want to package with Chapman. I don't know what kind of package they'd want for Chapman and Barlow, but that'd be a way to instantly transform the Twins pen, and Barlow has 1 more year of arbitration to help next year as well. I'd think it's worth a call to the Royals to see what they'd want for those 2.
  25. I just want the guys with the most range up the middle. I believe Royce has more range than Lee so I'd prefer Lee at 3B, and Royce at 2B if they're the ones covering those spots. But I'm a big Polanco fan so I hope he's here for a few more years.
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