gunnarthor
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This wasn't the first year the Twins used the bonus pool to nab extra talent - they did it in 2015 and 2016 as well. And they traded Kinztler, a pending FA, at the deadline. I'm not sure that's different than the other deadline deals like Liriano for Hernandez and Escobar. They've used all their bonus pool money every year (assuming they do something with the 1.25 they have left this year). I'm not sure that Littell and Enns is better than Ynoa and 4m but I'm not sure they aren't, either. Maybe they could have done something else with that 4m? The IBP money fiasco this year isn't, in my mind, an example of them being creative. They went from a top Latin American prospect to two c prospects with a few failed targets in between.
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Nah, Twins could've won a one-game playoff and certainly could have taken a series from Cleveland. Sure, they would've been underdogs but (depending on the price) upgrading the roster would have been a worthwhile premise for the FO. In any event, the past is the past. The Twins window is currently open and it'll be interesting to see how Lavine deals with it.
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Baddoo could do it on the position player side. Graterol and Thorpe have true ace potential (in the last five years or so, only six or seven Twins prospects could arguably have that kind of upside - Meyer, Stewart, Jay, Berrios, Thorpe and maybe Romero and Graterol). The "Kepler second tier" prospect group (not quite elite but damn good, probably ranked 20-40ish on lists) could include quite a number of these guys like Kiriloff, Rooker, Gordon, Miranda (I like him a lot, too), etc.
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The reality is that Lavine is using the same roadmap that Ryan used but so far his moves are working out. And that's basically what we should expect. Both stayed cheap in FA, signed discount bullpen arms. Both signed rule v picks and made waiver claims, let young guys play, traded off upcoming FA, etc. Our payroll was bottom third last year. I expect it will remain bottom third for the foreseeable future. So Levine is going to have to make trades, find FA bargains and rely on young players. That's more or less been what the Twins have had to do for 25 years and it'll continue. I liked last years draft but I'm not ready to put it ahead of 2012 or 2016 (the secret of all three drafts was the number of picks in the first few rounds, not necessarily high draft position). IBP money for prospects is fine with me. I'd have been fine with them signing someone, too. Just so long as they use it. We won't know how good Lavine is for several years but I like him a lot and think he'll be a very good GM. But I do think we should wait a little bit for all this excitement.
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That was the original deal. But when they found an anomaly in his arm, they demanded another pick from Aiken - Mac Marshall. Aiken and his agent said no, stalemate happened and none of the three kids were able to sign. Nix was able to file grievance.
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That's not quite right. People were pissed that the Astros were using the injury as a way to secure a third player (after Jacob Nix) named Mac Marshall out of Aiken's bonus. The medical issue they saw was similar to other picks and those picks had their bonuses lowered by several hundred thousand dollars, not 1.5m, which coincidentally happened to be Marshall's demand. Nix and Marshall's agreements were therefore locked into a third party (Aiken). Nix filed his grievance against the Astros and won (Astros settled for 1m+ before the arbitrator ruled against them). I'm hoping that the Twins didn't **** over Marte on the hopes of getting a better prospect but I think they did.
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Honestly, I'm not sure but I think it's roughly fair. 1m on the IBP isn't all that much - most elite players sign for more and you can go the quantity route and nab some guys for less - so I think what we got in return - avg ML regular guys as ceilings - is decent. Also, we're not paying money (Pohlad = cheap) but rather giving our ability to spend money to the other teams. At the end of the day, I think this was a defensible move and far better than not doing anything (which is what I thought they'd do) but it's also not evidence that Levine is playing three dimensional chess while Ryan would be playing checkers.
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They changed it to after the world series.
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I agree with #1 - if the new FO can keep the window of opportunity open it'll be because they were able to bring up another wave of prospects like Ryan was able to do. But #2 - we're too far away from having an idea on that. Yes the draft looks good but these kids have been playing ball for 3 months. Way too early to determine if they drafted well.
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I'm not opposed to this move but it's not something to get too excited about yet. Both are probably outside our top 20 prospects but are probably better bets than 16 year old kids so I'm good with it.
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Article: Falvine Ready To Flex Muscles
gunnarthor replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Before you can grade how good/bad they are as our new FO. They've been given a golden opportunity here so the big question - at least to me - is if they can keep a window of opportunity open longer than others. One of the reasons I thought Ryan was very good was that he more or less kept a very low payroll team competitive for basically a decade. Levine has been gifted with an incredibly talented and young roster. The Twins are good. They're going to make the playoffs several times in the next few years. Can our new FO push them over the top? Can they keep that window open longer or are we going to fall back into a more traditional cycle of competitiveness? We won't know the answers for awhile. Their first draft was encouraging. -
Article: Falvine Ready To Flex Muscles
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Meh. Run differential, during the season, probably isn't all that predictive. We use it at the end of the season and it might be more useful but RD after 103 games? There's gotta be some room for error in that. We were 4.5 back of the Royals who we had a lot of games left against and who we were better than. They had a quick run in July that made them seem better than they were (9-0 run w/+ 40 run differential Det and Chicago). No one thought the Royals were all of a sudden a good team. But again, that misses two points. First, do we expect our FO to be smarter than fangraphs? Second, the question, as I understand it, was whether the FO helped the team this year. I think we can agree that by selling off Garcia and especially Kintzler, they hurt us by weakening two important parts of the team. Maybe it helps in the long run but it made this year harder. -
Article: Hopes And Plans For Trevor May
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I think we pick up two pitchers this offsesaon. One in free agency for sure and maybe another in FA or through trade. So opening day it's something like - Darvish (sure) Santana Berrios Cole (yep, that'll happen) Gibson Realistically, it's probably something like Cobb/Lynn and Odrozzi.- 33 replies
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I'm really torn on Santana. I like a big hall. I like a lot of seasons. I don't love short peaks. But at the end of the day, you only need 10 MLB seasons to be considered for the hall. Not 15 or 18. So people with shorter careers should get in. I don't like that we've put short peak guys with long careers in (Tim Raines had a five year peak worth 32 WAR and then played from 88-02 and amassed 30 WAR). And Santana was undoubtedly considered the best pitcher in baseball for a number of years and won two Cy Young awards. I'd vote him in. I'm not sure how the actual voters will treat him. Raines is an interesting comparison. In 12 seasons, Santana topped 4 WAR 7x, 5 WAR 5x, 6 WAR 4x, 7 WAR 4x. Raines, in 21 seasons, topped 4 WAR 6x, 5 WAR 6x, 6 WAR 4x, 7 WAR 1x. If we decided that Raines short peak is hall worthy, shouldn't Santana's peak - which was longer in much fewer seasons, be a HOFer? I mean, no one put Raines in the hall because of how he played in the 90s. But voters sorta rejected that argument with Nomar. In 14 seasons, Nomar topped 4 WAR 6x, 5 WAR 6x, 6 WAR 6x, 7 WAR 2x but he wasn't in. So I think Santana should be in but, like Nomar, will be given short shrift.
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Article: Falvine Ready To Flex Muscles
gunnarthor replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I disagree. I want our new FO to be smarter than fangraphs baseruns. I think the CYA approach a lot are giving them here is based on what we as fans without internal knowledge knew or should have known. We did lose the WC game so trading Kinztler didn't hurt us in that game. But I think that misses the point. We weakened our bullpen by trading him and got back a C prospect. Since we made the playoffs, what were our chances of winning a one gamer? 33%? 45%? And if we did, would having a stronger bullpen been something we would have wanted in the playoffs even if in that one game it didn't matter? The FO hurt us in 2017, full stop. How much they hurt us is open for debate and how much they helped improve future years is open to debate. I'm certainly willing to give them more time but at best you can only give them an incomplete.

