Mike Sixel
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I'm pretty sure I see people saying they can compete, and that they should not give up on 2017.....I, otoh, have given up on 2017. Or does "don't give up on 2017" not mean people think they can be good. I've also said, repeatedly, I think they could be better with De Leon and no Dozier, than Dozier and no De Leon. I don't know that, but it could be true.
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I think the delta, for many of us, is that I think 2017 is lost, and some people think they can go from 59 wins to competing....I see no chance of that as realistic at all. I'd rather gamble on 2018 and beyond, than next year. That's the impasse between me and chief, for example.
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Uh, most of them have Berrios as a mid rotation starter also, not sure what that line means.....
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De Leon is, I'd wager, the Twins 2nd or 3rd best starter next year....pitching like a number three. I'd rather have a number 3 pitcher for 6 years, than 2 years of Dozier. I think he actually has a chance to make them better next year, given that Polanco is here and can play 2B (thought not hit like Dozier, obviously).
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That last sentence doesn't make sense. Three unproven players don't make them "better enough" either. It isn't about being "better enough to compete", it is about being better over time. I don't get why people keep saying "getting 1 SP won't fix this team, so don't trade Dozier"......by that logic, you don't sign 1 FA ever either, you never make a trade if you are bad, you just stand still.....this isn't about fixing things with one trade, this is about starting to fix things. Every journey starts with one step, you don't not take that 1 step because it takes thousands to get where you are going. Unless I misunderstood your point, but people keep typing that, year after year "doing X won't fix everything, so don't do X". Well, if you keep passing on improving, you kind of never improve.
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If the Twins asked for JDL and Bellinger, I say no if I'm the Dodgers. That's not realistic for 2 years of Dozier. 4 years? Sure, 2 years? No way.
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I hope so, he can't get out RH batters at the MLB level, probably. Not facing them multiple times anyway. IMO, he should have been in the bullpen in 2015 at the MLB level. Not moving him sooner cost them a game or two that year, given the bullpen they had. Stubbornness on a guy that, imo, seems pretty obviously destined for the pen.
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That wasn't my question....if they don't trade him, will you be ok with that if they remain bad?
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Actually, I meant .... what if they never trade him, and he's here for 2 years while they win nothing?
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And if they don't trade him, because they never get a "fair" deal, and pass on JDL, that's cool with you I assume? Still not sure if I'd take JDL and "junk" or not, I am no scout and don't have access to dozens of scouts.....
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We have more information now than we did 3 months ago....no one is offering "enough" or "fair" value.....so, do we take less value, or take our ball and go home?
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Putting it all aside, the fact they are at an impasse (if they are) and deal might not get done.....that makes me unhappy as a Twins' fan....
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I'm hopeful they don't mess with Santiago again....and let him be effectively wild.
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And that's better how? How does that help 2018 or beyond?
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They kept trading, and didn't quit because they made bad ones. Bad ones happen. We get it, you don't think the trades mattered, and you don't think they should get credit for making good ones, because they have money to use. We don't agree. How about the White Sox, or Braves? Do they get no points for their trades if they later sign free agents? Putting that aside.....this reminds me of the don't trade Adrian Peterson situation, only worse, because AP could carry an offense almost on his own. Imagine if they had dealt him 2 or 3 years ago for a couple early picks and a young player......that team would be better off right now.
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But they started with trades....then the used FA. That's the point. The point isn't that they didn't use FA at all. It isn't that FA didn't help. It is that they used ALL avenues to build their team. So tired....
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I doubt there is much, any, fire in that smoke from the Braves' talk.....unless a deal is made, we'll never know, of course. I don't know why the Braves would do that, given they have Swanson and Albies and some other MIF I can't think of right now.....not to mention they aren't good yet, and Dozier only has 2 years left on his deal.
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Fair, I was mostly listing them as a team that traded veterans, got prospects, and have a loaded minor league system ,as compared to a system MLB or BA said might be bottom ten, after this much losing.
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I left the Braves off my list of teams that traded for prospects and got more and got better.....so that's another one. As for the WS, they didn't figure it out until this year. They are 1 year into their trying to rebuild, aren't they?
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Well, that's not the route the Astros or Cubs or Phillies are taking....or the White Sox. All of whom have managed to rebuild faster than this team has. Not, imo, a coincidence. Keeping veterans around to win 78 games and not 71 games is not good strategy, imo.
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If people are worried about 2017 wins and competitiveness, then we are at an impasse completely. This team has lost 90+ games how many times in the last 6 years? There is no realistic path to 2017 wins having any meaning at all. I haven't actively ripped the team, I've been asking questions of people. I have been pretty clear (early on) that a 1:1 deal was not a deal I liked. I have posted that my thinking is evolving on that. I do think not finding a way to trade Dozier is a failure. It will be 5 years of being bad, and not making any good trades of veterans for prospects. That's a failure of the team, imo. How did not trading Perkins or Plouffe work out? Everyone happy on not taking 50 cents on the dollar for Plouffe last year? Or keeping Perkins around because he was cheap?
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Still not enough.....
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who ripped them in this thread? Not me, I'm asking people questions about: 1. not trading for prospects at all (wow) 2. not trading for pitching, because 1 player can't fix every problem 3. How keeping Dozier moves the needle for the future. None of those actually rip anyone, I'm trying to understand people's arguments....nothing more or less.
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How does keeping him move the needle?
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your contention is that someone is going to offer more than a top 10 pitching prospect in the future?
