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  1. What are our alternatives? We could spend an additional $40M. That would be worth 3 wins. I doubt that propels us into greatness. We could trade away a bunch of prospects to fill our many holes. Is that what we see from successful mid-market teams. Not even a little. I would vote that the organization focus on getting better and the strategies and practices that have been responsible for the success of teams like Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Tampa. Avoiding proven strategies because we have not executed them well would be the height of incompetence.
  2. Were you expecting a rebuild to work every time? It makes little sense to look at it this way other than to confirm it's not guaranteed success which we all know. The questions we should ask are ... 1. What practices have been successful for teams with modest revenue? 2. How much have players acquired as prospects contributed to low revenue playoff teams. 3. What have been the relative contributions of established players acquired in trade for prospects. The answers to these questions quite clearly illustrate the importance of low revenue teams acquiring prospects whenever they are in a down cycle.
  3. Yep. That ship sailed around the time when Gore and Peralta were traded. Assuming they don't make the playoffs which is a fair assumption, and Ryan/Lopez lose significant trade value via injury, this decision will go down as monumentally incompetent.
  4. When you trade a player that is not likely to make an impact you get one back of the same ilk. Isn't that the nature of these trades?
  5. Tom Pohlad has stated they have to be contenders this year. OK, Given the state of the team, contending would require a payroll level that would not be profitable. You can choose between contending and profitability, but you can't realistically have both. Chose a path. If you are unwilling to spend, manage the roster / assets in a manner that provides the most likely path to success. They are following a plan with little chance of short-term success while diminishing their chance at future success. BTW .... I realize I am preaching to the Choir.
  6. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is not a good strategy, it's the definition of insanity. What successful franchise would follow this strategy? What are the Cardinals doing in a similar situation even though they have a fair amount more payroll capacity? Is this what the Guardians, Rays or Brewers would do? Not a chance. They were bad with Joe and Falvey but Tom's "strategy" is the product of a special kind of incompetence. Imagine someone in management saying here is my plan to make a contender out of one of the worst teams in the game. We spend less, add a couple of mediocre players to fill holes, and ignore a BP that was decimated. Tom guiding this team's direction looks like the worst-case scenario to me. I will hope along with everyone else here that everything falls in place as you have outlined but the odds are VERY long indeed. This team getting sold is the only way to salvage this train wreck.
  7. I completely agree and I was trying to establish an accurate value for drawing 350,000 fans. A $13M free agent averages about 1.5 WAR. They don't put fans in the seats and such a player probably would not have made a difference on the 24 Twins. You may recall, the two free agents that had the most support here were Jordan Montgomery and Rhys Hoskins. There is a common conclusion in this forum that decreased spending wrecked the 24 Twins. We would have been worse had we signed Montgomery and Hoskins. I guess the point is that there is no certainty that spending would have saved the 24 Twins and the theory that spending will be recouped at the gate is also far from certain.
  8. Why doesn't anyone ever do the math in these debates? Let's see if we can all agree on the appropriate math. Then, we can speak in much less abstract terms. 350,000 Fans X Average Spend. I have seen estimates from $55-85 for average spend. If we use a high estimate, let's say $80, the revenue would be $14,560 after revenue sharing of 48%. However, you also have to account for player benefits and taxes which would equate to roughly $13M being available to spend on salary. This assumes the team makes the investment expecting no return on their investment. Would you agree?
  9. I always assumed those seats behind home plate belonged to season ticket holders. I would not think the Twins have the right to put people in someone's seat if they don't show up by the 3rd inning. What if they show up in the 4th inning? This could have other complications as well. If someone is attending with their wife and 3 children, you have to have 5 available seats together. Maybe that would not be a problem on a Wednesday afternoon game. I guess this program becomes more viable the worse they suck so you might be on to something. Perhaps more to the point, I would not anticipate such a promotion having any impact on attendance as I doubt someone is going to show up for a 1 in 10,000 chance they are chosen. If the promotion was get 4 seats a family of 4 would have a 1 in 2,500 chance assuming 10,000 in attendance which of course is a very low estimate which would result in a total attendance for the season of 800,000.
  10. Why should TD writers stop using a word appropriately because some people don't understand the definition? A pipeline is a channel of supply, not a measure of quantity or quality. One could accurately say that there is nothing in the pipeline but to say there is no pipeline is to not understand the definition of the word. Every single team has a pipeline. Some just have better players in their pipeline.
  11. This will take 2-3 months minimum to sort through. It's a similar scenario with position players except we do have one well-above average position player. What is frightening is that Tom Pohlad looks at this situation and determines adding Bell and Caratini will make us contenders. Falvey and Joe Pohlad were not the answer but I don't think they were as detrimental as this guy,
  12. Roden is a fair bit faster than Larnach. 27.8 vs 26.1 sprint speed. Regardless, Larnach has two years of control remaining and he is not a difference maker. I see him as someone taking playing time from someone (Roden or others) who at least have the potential to part of a long-term solution. I was really hoping they would trade him, but it appears Larnach is here to support the ill-fated plan to contend this year.
  13. The Cards have a long track record of building sustainable success. They understand the up and down cycles that are part of any organization outside the top 5 or 6 in revenue and they don't miss opportunities to rebuild in their down cycles. Based on the Peralta/Gore trades you have to believe the Twins would have gotten an impact player or two had they traded Ryan. I hate to say it but it probably made sense to let Buck go as well if he really was willing to waive his NTC. Lopez could have played a role helping develop young pitchers and potentially moved at the deadline. The assets from these trades plus the 3rd pick next year along with the rest of our relatively deep farm system and you have a good shot at building a real contender. A well-run organization like the Cardinals does not squander these opportunities for a team that would be very fortunate to be 500. The entire baseball world expected the Twins to take advantage of this opportunity. Up to this point I have felt the Pohlad's influence was neither harmful or productive. This path is misguided and is likely to hurt the team for the next several years, perhaps the next decade. We are left hoping for this team to be the big surprise of the league. It's possible. Just highly unlikely. I sure wish the sale had gone through.
  14. Are you really suggesting the Twins got worse as a result of the trades @bunsen82listed or were there other reasons they didn't get better. If we apply just a little bit of objectivity, I think you could say Falvey did pretty well in trades overall, but those trades were not enough to cover for the lack of success in drafting and developing. His FA signings were also a mixed bag and a team with a modest budget needs to get exceptional production out of their FA signings.
  15. I sure hope that decision was made at the end of last season and that he was working on it over the break.
  16. I am quite sure that the Pohlad's did not unilaterally set strategy prior to Tom showing up. It's most likely they managed the budget and let Falvey dictate strategy within that budget. I think the upheaval was a result of Tom taking the reins and insisting they had to compete in 2026 no matter how unrealistic that was at the present level of spending. Falvey told him he had his head in the sand and Tom fired him.
  17. We just will have to agree to disagree. my point has nothing to do with specific personnel decisions. I am talking about their strategy, and the Cardinals are following a very different strategy. Zoll had virtually nothing to say about the decision to reverse directions in the middle of a rebuild. I am also quite certain that in the same position, Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Tampa would be doing the same thing as St. Louis.
  18. Personnel decisions are done withing the context of the direction taken by the team. Put the best team you can on the field even if the likely result is a sub 500 team vs trying to build a contender. It sure seems to me that Tom Pohlad has chosen the direction. He has stated they have to win this year and that explains the difference between the Cardinals approach and the approach taken by the Twins. He is also very influential in determining the budget which of course has a huge impact on personnel decisions. Zoll's personnel decisions are a byproduct Pohlad's direction. The Cardinals and Twins have taken opposite approaches. Which organization do you have more faith in?
  19. Tom Pohlad should take notice of what the Cardinals are doing and ask himself if he knows more about running a MLB team than the Cardinals organization collectively. Then, he should go hire someone who knows what they are doing and let them do it.
  20. Consider this information in the context of what Tom Pohlad has been saying. They are going to play the established players. I think this is going to be really frustrating to watch.
  21. The most successful low revenue teams have acquired half of the pitching as prospects. While I think it's note worthy to differentiate so that we can judge their drafting, I don't think it makes sense to suggest their effort to build a pipeline is somehow diminished because they didn't draft them all. If you go back a few years, Cleveland's had years where half or more of their best pitchers were acquired as prospects. In 2017, they had 8 pitchers that produced 1.5 WAR , five of them were acquired as prospects on one was drafted. Corey Kluber AaP Carlos Carrasco AaP Trevor Bauer AaP Andrew Miller Trade for established player Danny Salazar Intl Mike Clevinger AaP Josh Tomlin Drafted Bryan Shaw AaP The 2025 Brewers had 6 pitchers with 1.5 WAR and four of them were acquired as prospects. The 99 win 2023 Rays had a staff that was mostly acquired as prospects. That team only had 3 pitchers with more than 1.5 WAR but they had a bunch of guys in the pen that contributed. Among their top 10 pitcher by WAR, eight of them were acquired as prospects. Zach Eflin FA Tyler Glasnow AaP Shane McClanahan Drafted Drew Rasmussen AaP Shawn Armstrong AaP Pete Fairbanks AaP Kevin Kelly AaP Robert Stephenson AaP Zack Littell AaP Colin Poche AaP
  22. According to FanGraphs, Bradley has one option remaining.
  23. Your interpretation looks well-reasoned to me. What I read in his statement is never mind the situation screams for a rebuild especially given the fact the team is already substantially down that path. We need revenue now, so Joe expects/demands they be much better in 2026 in spite of making minimal investment toward that goal. Absolutely delusional. We should all fear for the team's future with this guy in charge. If you want a comparison of what a good organization does in this situation, take a look at the Cardinals. The approach could not be more different. Who do you trust to make the right moves to build a contender? Is it Tom Pohlad or the Cardinals? Their approaches are completely different. One of them has no clue.
  24. This remains to be seen for me. I always looked at the Pohlads more indifferently than most here. I didn't think they contributed any direction but they spent in line with the market. Now, I am wondering if Tom and the family did a 180 in the middle of a rebuild. I wonder if Tom is really so delusional that he thinks this roster is poised to compete in 2026. I have seen the desire for immediate results drive really bad decisions with clients. Someone posted a quote in another thread where he said "we have to be good". Well, need does not get you much if you don't do anything to improve your chances of getting what you need.
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