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I don’t get why a gamethread after a fantastic victory has turned into a lengthy trade / quality debate over Kyle Gibson. But it has, so I will say this: I would hate for the Twins to trade Gibson, and think it would be a terrible move for the organization, regardless of where they are, what they need, and what the return is. The Twins have weathered a lot of rough history with Gibson, and they are now reaping the rewards of that perserverence. Let’s just enjoy the great performance by Gibson - four straight, and only five under .500.

13-5 over their last 18 games. Come on, boys, let’s keep it rolling.

There is a great article on The Athletic about the Pitching Ninja, Rob Friedman. He’s just a random guy who started cataloging all of these nasty pitches and doing these overlays. Now a bunch of major leaguers follow him and send him suggestions. Also tracks pitching grips. Cool to see Berrios featured on that. He was in total control tonight.

Playoff odds down to 0.7%. Escobar has to catch that pop-up.

Thanks for this write up Steve. Could I request that Buxton and Sano lines be added to the summary numbers section?

This is a great thread. Very interesting discussion. The title should probably be revised from “what would it take to get Realmuto” to “would it be wise for the Twins to trade for Realmuto, and if so, what would it take?” To me, it would be worth going after this trade, because he could provide considerable added value for a position of weakness for 2 years and 2 months. Many have argued that there isn’t a viable window now or in 19 / 20. I strongly disagree. I think there is a 15-20% chance of winning the division this year, which is bolstered a decent amount by adding Realmuto. I think there is easily a 50% chance of making the postseason in 19, and even greater in 20. Getting an above average catcher helps those odds. Are Buxton and Sano going to contribute to the team’s wins this year, next year, or in 20? No one knows the answer to this. However, I will point out that late in the year last year, there were many severe doubters of Kyle Gibson, and calls for him basically to be cut (yarnivek led this charge, if I recall correctly). I argued that he was going to provide value for the team going forward as a starter; they would need him in the rotation, and he showed signs of upside. Look how that has turned out so far. This is the bottom of the valley for Buxton and Sano, but remember that they are both young, both were top prospects, and both still have massive upside, if even a bit tempered. They are in the minors working on improving on the weaknesses that have been exposed in the majors. I think they will both be back and will both provide real value for the team, likely as soon as this year. Now, as for what it would take to get Realmuto, I argued that a case could be made for a package that avoided Lewis, Romero and likely Brusdar. Some argue that won’t be enough. That’s possible. The only way we will really know is if the FO actually trades for him, and we see what the return is. We do know the Marlins asked for Robles or Soto from the Nats, and the asking price is high. But I still contend that a big package of multiple top 100s (Kiriloff, Gonsalves, Baddoo +) could be enough. Maybe not, but maybe. Anyway, that is the path I would choose...go after Realmuto for a package that does not include the absolute elites from the Twins’ system. From what I have seen of this Front Office, I think they would be inclined to follow that path—going after an elite player with multiple years of control. Certainly way more likely than Terry Ryan to pull the trigger on such a deal!

I don’t agree. Sometimes you have to take a leap. Your argument equates to never making a trade for an impact player.

Coming back to this thread, which seems to go down rabbit holes, what would it take to get Realmuto? That question means, what is the minimum it would take to get Realmuto. So I think the question is what the Twins can avoid giving up in order to get him. Lewis: Can the Twins offer a package that doesn’t include Lewis? Yes, I think they can. Romero: Can they offer a package that doesn’t include Romero? Ditto. The next best bets are Kiriloff, Brusdar, and Gonsalves, who have all made top 100 lists and/or have nice helium. Baddoo is probably the fourth most appealing, followed by Rooker and Larnach. But not really top 100 types (or not yet, for Larnach.) I don’t think the Twins would need to include all three of Kiriloff, Brusdar and Gonsalves, but I do think they would need to include at least three of the six in that “not Lewis or Romero” list. If I were in the Twins FO I would try to exclude Brusdar from that group. Offer them their pick of three from this five: Kiriloff, Gonsalves, Rooker, Larnach (as player to be named) and Baddoo. Then say you will throw in another top 20 (maybe someone like Enlow or Wade). So my theory is the minimum they would need to offer to get Realmuto is a package that looks like this: Kiriloff, Gonsalves, Baddoo and Enlow. And I would make that trade.

I think it is safe to say the Twins will not be trading for Chris Archer.

Is Astudillo Big Sexy 2.0?

Romero starting tomorrow is the best news of the day. By the way, who took the “over” on runs scored in the Berrios-Archer matchup?

Mauer and Dozier both hitting .370 over their past 7 games, team has gone 6-1.

Yes, but he catches that ball!

Exactly!

I take it back. I wouldn’t trade Kiriloff and Brusdar for Realmuto.

By the way, Buxton catches that Ramos double in his sleep.

Just imagine if Gibson had started the Wild Card game in NY last year.

Kyle was dealing. What a performance. He was cool as a cucumber, putting the ball right where he wanted it. And he got squeezed on several pitches by the home plate umpire. He could have easily gotten the complete game if he gets all of the strike calls he should have.

Looking at the futures rosters, three things stuck out to me: 1)Lewis Thorpe is only 22? 2)Not a lot of European or Asian prospects (any) 3)This is going to sound strange, but there is one American player listed at less than 190. There are 7 players on the International squad listed at 170 or below. And one kid is listed at 6’3”, 160lbs. Exactly how is that possible?

Eh, they are ok. Whatever. No, really, Tom, exceptional work on the recaps. Thank you, and happy birthday! And by the way, CG OBVIOUSLY stands for “Capitals Goal”, which reminds me of who your Stanley Cup Champions are!

The sky is falling. Fire everybody.

Well, of they like Jeffers and think he won’t be available in the third, that would be one reason.

Considering I’ve never heard of him, or any of the other picks....I’m a huge fan of this move.

I just want to know if Eddie’s eyebrow grows that way, or it’s a fashion statement?

Having grown up in Wisconsin, that report seems about right.