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Sorry I was disagreeing with you, and I also can agree a rookie can be slated for the 5th spot, it just doesn't happen to often that a contending team goes into a year with with rookies in multiple spots and with Ober probably being slated at 4, they need to assume that he might not work out and have a plan for replacing him, that is much harder when you have another spot with a rookie slated. Because then you need like 3 or 4 starters as a back up plan, plus the ones you need to back up for other injuries, it makes the 40 awful heavy on starting pitchers. Not that it is part of this thread, but if you are relying on rookies or close to rookies at 3rd, C, and Larnach and AK, it does mean they have to sign a bunch of non-roster (40 man) for AAA in case they slump as well, and if Buxton is back a plan for him when he gets hurt. Which might make it necessary not to put anybody on the 40 that isn't required to put on.

Even if he comes up for 4 starts and pitches lights out, it would be hard to assume he starts next year in the rotation. It is hard to give a rookie a rotation spot on a team trying to contend, so many things can go wrong with that.

Shutting down Maeda for the rest of the year will cost him and save the twins a bunch of money. 4 more starts gets him a 1.5 million, 4 more innings get him 250K, and another 250 every ten innings. Figure if he gets 6 more starts and averages 5 innings per start, he would lose over 2 million dollars. With that said, I would like to see Ryan and Strotman up, Strotman is a guy maybe they don't have to put on the 40 if he isn't any good he hasn't been in St. Paul. I would love to see Balazovic up, but he is young enough to hold off until that magic June date. Also I think he maybe a guy they could trade at the top of his value this winter for a pitcher, and he is comes up and doesn't do well that could take some shine off (probably not but...)

Does this mean Barnes has no future with the Twins? I mean leaving him out there for 109 pitches, they pretty much haven't done that with anybody. Normally I would say this was a great thing, living him in there after giving up some runs and letting him leave how to actual pitch in a major league game instead of pulling the young starter before the pitch count gets too high or in too much trouble. Back in the day when something was expected out of the starter this is how they learned on the job.

Kenta Maeda signed a 8 year / $25,000,000 contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers, including a $1,000,000 signing bonus, $25,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $3,125,000. In 2021, Maeda will earn a base salary of $3,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $3,125,000. Maeda's adjusted salary with the Minnesota Twins is $2,561,000 Contract Notes: Innings Pitched Bonus $250,000 each for: 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190, 200 Games Started Bonus $1M each for: 15, 20, $1.5M each for 25, 30, 32 Trade Assignment Bonus: $1M Opening Day Roster Bonus: $150,000 Per 2/9/20 trade, Dodgers retain $10M (assumed to be 2020-2022 salary + trade bonus) So yes I missed adding in the "possible" incentives, should have looked a bit further. I am not sure where you got your 9 million but maybe it is assuming he pitches 200 innings and makes 30 or 31 starts and the Dodgers covered his base the salary? So I guess it is good I am not alone, we both left out important details and both produced a very poor estimate, mine was probably more accurate since he hasn't earned any incentives in 2022 yet, but both were wrong In case you need to read it again, here is what I wrote. If my math is close to correct, the Twins as of right now before arb salaries are included the payroll for next year is 52ish, if they trade Donaldson that brings it down to 30 million. With Rogers and Buxton as Arb 4, Duffey as Arb 3, Garver as arb 2, and bunch with less, if they trade Buxton, they will have to spend around 100 million on just next years salaries to get back to this year. I am correct it is 52ish million, then there are the Arb guys, then there there is around 80 million to finish out the roster without Donaldson and Buxton, in my first post I was assuming a payroll around 140 million, but around 130 million would be more accurate and that is what I said in my reply) I assumed people would understand I was saying to fill out the roster next year (including Arb guys, rookies, free agents) Nobody does, I thought the premise of this thread was what do you think they will do. Not argue or be a jerk if you disagree with somebody's option. I do thank you for pointing out Maeda, so I could look further and see the incentives and that the Dodgers actually covered the salary piece next year I guess you should take that up with cHawk he started the thread.

Spotrac has Maeda at 3 million and 125K for a bonus next year, that is what I was going off, and I said if they traded Buxton. Which puts our numbers roughly the same. And I was assuming the beginning of the year payroll was closer to 140, which I may have been wrong in that. Also, I am not disagreeing with you, but the question was "What do you expect the Twins to do this upcoming free agency?" not what we think they should do, that is what I think they will do. I think they feel pretty good with Sano/AK, Polanco, Donaldson and a fill in at SS, with Arraez as sub for 2B, 3B, OF that gets lots of playing time. A Ehire Adrianza (could be Gordon) type to back all infield positions. With Miranda waiting in the wings, in case Sano, AK or Donaldson get hurt. (or suck) and hopefully forcing his way up Buxton, Kepler and right handed hitting FA (or Refsnyder/Garlick) and AK platooning, with Larnach like Miranda waiting in the wings and hopefully forcing his way up. Jeffers/Garver at C and maybe Astudillo. Maeda and Ober seem like locks, go out and get two starters (arg like they did this year) and maybe trade for one, or hope Dobnak gets healthy and good, and then they have a slew of rookies waiting in the wings to come up as a back up plan. Then fill in the bullpen as they seemingly always do. Like I said above I think they will make a play for Rondon/Ray/Stroman etc.. and end up not getting them. Is this the plan I would do? Nope but if they want to keep their jobs, IMO they can't have a plan where Miranda is starting at 3B (with no real MLB as a backup), Jeffers at C, AK either in the OF or 1B, and Larnach starting in the OF, and 3 rookie type starting pitching. That is a recipe for failure, because if they struggle who do you bring up to replace them? More unproven players?

You are probably correct, the article I read was asking why Japanese pitchers have more TJ surgury after coming to the MLB. They conclusion was admittedly not scientific was the heavier ball in MLB and/or the rest between starts. I am not claiming to know the answer, but was just throwing out what I read. But I will say if they wanted to do a heavier ball I would hope they figure out a way to study it first.

If my math is close to correct, the Twins as of right now before arb salaries are included the payroll for next year is 52ish, if they trade Donaldson that brings it down to 30 million. With Rogers and Buxton as Arb 4, Duffey as Arb 3, Garver as arb 2, and bunch with less, if they trade Buxton, they will have to spend around 100 million on just next years salaries to get back to this year. There seems like no chance they would do that, for good reasons and being cheap, also I don't understand the trading Donaldson and giving the job to a guy that hasn't even played in the majors, didn't work so well for AK and Laranch this year. IMO, they try to sign one of the top FA starters, get turned down, end up with a couple Cobb, Duffy, Smyly, Quintana types. Bring in a couple colome types for the pen. And take a SS that is willing to sign a two year contract. Keeping Donaldson and Buxton just to get the payroll up to acceptable.

Joe Ryan said the balls in the Olympics were lighter and had better grip, and should be used here. Also read somewhere that heavier balls could cause more injuries. 1. I would go to 154 but that is the lowest. 2. Sure 3. Yes 4. no on the Robo umps 5. Sure no blackouts. I don't have cable now so I am basically blacked out anyway. 6. My gut says yes, but with something like this the unintended consequences usually cause more or bigger problems to solve later. 7. I have no idea what a living wage is, so I can't say yes to that. I know they should be paid more, probably a bunch more, but if a first round high school kid signs a contract with a huge bonus and a low salary does that count? is if divided over years? Should a college kid with a wife and two kids moving across country get paid more than a singe guy? Just pay them more, don't set floors, because they will probably reduce the options of signing some one that is hurt or for just a short time. 8. I don't have an opinion on this one.

I am confused on why people don't think Lewis and somebody like a Duran couldn't bring back a really good pitcher, Martin and Woods Richardson got Toronto a really good pitcher for 1 1/2. If the twins threw in a Sands or somebody that should bring back a pitcher with at least two years of control? No?

I get what you are saying, but in no way are baseball players like programmers, teachers or bar tenders and the players union doesn't want them treated that way either. Imagine letting the owners set a salary (range) based years of experience, because as a someone in the IT world that is how the system is set up. I don't want to see MLB go the way of the NBA or the NFL. I really like the idea that smart teams can make it worth with wealth or limitations it has. I mean look at how many different teams have been in the world series in the last 3,5, 7,10 years. In the last 10 years teams that have made it to the world series and times LAD (3), STL(2), KC(2), SF(2), HOU (2), BOS(2), TB, WASH, Cubs, Clev, NYM, Det, Tex and if I went to 11 yeas it adds Tex, and 12 adds the NYY and PHIL.

I agree with you, it seems some are saying Lewis isn't good enough to headline a trade for a pitcher, but is still the #1 Twins prospect in a good to great minor league prospect pool. I don't think it can be both ways, can it? Then again I would have traded Lewis in 2019 so...

Oh I agree they have enough money, but can you really imagine them spending 20 million on a SS, 3B and a pitcher? I would think that would eliminate Buxton. How many people on this site have said they have to get rid of Donaldson's contract so they can sign a pitcher, and now we are thinking they would sign that top pitcher and sign $20 million SS?

Here is my assumption, if the Twins sign a high priced SS, then they can't or won't sign a high priced pitcher, so to get a pitcher they will have to trade a prized prospect. So in this assumption, yes I am trading Lewis with other prospects to get that kind of pitcher and signing the SS. (I only really want Corey Seager, Carlos Correa, not the other two on any sort of longer contract) IMO if Lewis with a few other prospect can return a really good pitcher with a few years of control (contract or pre-Arb) I am trading them regardless of signing the SS. I think signing a big time SS and keeping Lewis, because he may be an outfielder, seems a bit far fetched, because how the heck are the Twins going to get pitching?

Correct, but what we should be doing is pointing out the facts like you just did, and tell people if they are still concerned to go and talk to their doctor. Why is that considered so controversial? Telling people false stuff leads to distrust, when is telling everybody the facts scaring them? I have friends that won't get the vaccine, and to a person they say the reason is pretty much because of the way you are approaching it, (lying about deaths, side effects, if you don't get it you will die, if you get it you can't get Covid but still wear a mask, etc...) I have been trying the other way, compassion, understanding and real facts, and with the people I know it seems to be working better, sure there are idiots out there, without any common sense, understanding, or willing to do any research themselves other than the new feed that is being delivered to them.

Where did I say anything that you are accusing me of saying? I have never said that people shouldn't take the vaccine, I never once said that it shouldn't have been developed You are the one that asked how many people have died, I pointed you to the CDC site. You are the one that said there were no side effects, I again pointed you to the CDC site. Don't get pissed at me for you being ignorant and telling people nobody has died or has side effects.

From the CDC - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html More than 351 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 9, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,631 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. Telling people the only known side effect is a headache and sore arm is either complete ignorance on your part or you are blatantly lying, I am not sure which is worse. Yes death and side effects are extremely rare, they are real

Me personally I have zero interest in going to the game to watch a bunch of fielders and hitters in way over their head. Example Gordon and Palacios this year. I want Miranda up, but not going to pay to go see him. Bring up Balazovic or Canterino to start a game, and I will be at target field. (Maybe even Winder)

Sorry truly, some of us are new or newer to the site, I had no idea this was a tongue-in-cheek editorial piece and honestly not sure how I would know it was, it looks like every other article on the site? Honest question, what is the topic of this article, so we can stay on topic? My understanding of it was Simmons tweet and between the tweet and him being an offensive liability it is time to let him go. I guess trying to add some reasons and dare I say logic possibly behind his tweet went too far. I will be done commenting on this thread because I guess it was never meant for comments, it was meant as a funny read?

Honestly super confused by your comment. So what is this article doing here? the article is about Simmons anti-vax stance, his tweet, him not being good enough to put up with it and sending him on his way. the 1st amendment is all the comments section, and many things on covid, anti-vax, who has the right to say what has been said. If the mods don't want the stuff that was talked about in the article talked about, move the article, but it sounds more like you are saying if you don't agree find with the premise, find someplace else to disagree? is that what you are saying? You quoted me more than once, and then decided to say find someplace else. So is this a better take? Simmons sucks, the Twins suck (this year) and the rest of the year should be spend auditioning the younger guys out, and his should be back balled from baseball due to his anti-vax stance.

So the article was about the tweet from yesterday correct? Not sure what April has to do with it? But if you want to bring up April, there was quite a bit still unknown in prior to April, then he ended up getting Covid, didn't need to be hospitalized, obviously didn't die and from what I read experienced “very mild” symptoms and now has natural immunity. I can understand where he is coming from (even if I disagree with him on his vaccine stance), he basically was saying I don't trust the vaccine, I trust my body and he didn't or doesn't fall into the high risk categories, and in his case he was right, many others say the same thing and have been completely wrong. Until as a country we are willing to see the other side and try to understand (don't have to agree with them) them instead of demonizing them (Both sides) we are never going to come together.

Not sure where I read the article but Ryan was saying the balls in the Olympics, were lighter and had better grip and that is what should be used here. I wonder if that will have any effect on him when he pitches here again?

For the record I am vaccinated. I went to my doctor and said I don't know if I have ever had covid, never tested positive. He said there have been studies (Cleveland Clinic is one) that if you have natural immunity the vaccination isn't more effective and since I have a family history of autoimmune disease (possibly side effect of the vaccine is triggering these) I should get tested to see if I have had it. He suggestion was if I had Covid not to get vaccinated because the side effects could be worse, I was tested and never had it and got the vaccine. Now onto Simmons, he has had Covid, so him not getting the shot is very understandable, seeing quite a few players, actors, politicians getting covid after getting the shot it is somewhat reasonable for him to say "doesn’t/didn’t really work", him saying "might get some side affects" is an absolute fact, there is no denying that. But when put all together it isn't a good message, the message should always be talk to your doctor and discuss what is best for you and your situation. Is it a reason to cut somebody, absolutely not, but it is 2021 and if people disagree with you, you never know what might happen. Edit: I will add anybody on here telling people to just get the vaccine without regards to their own situation can be just a damning.

If that is the case and I sure hope it is, the Twins are actually looking like they have an ace type pitcher, because he will be 20 in 23 and 21 in 24. No the odds of him making it to the majors as a 20 year old is very slim, because it will take three years just to get him up to the 100 innings mark

Just to so I understand, pro sports players should stay out of the Covid topic completely? Removed this question - So writers on websites without a PhD do the same?