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  1. Well that talk is silly, Now maybe if they would signed a couple Ray, Gausman, Stroman or Rodríguez for example, then sure go out and trade for another starter with a year or two of control and give up a prospect like Larnach/Jeffers or somebody else to make a real run at a title. Trying to build a rotation out of FA's and trading prospects for pitchers with a little control is no way to have continued success.
  2. Don't mean this to be argumentative, but I would say Maeda, Odo and Cruz were great moves, Pineda the first time maybe great as well, minus the suspension and all, the second time was OK to good? Donaldson IMO was good, others seem to think it was horrible, Schoop/Cron/Thielbar were all good compared to the salary they got. Trades like Ynoa and Gil, don't bother me (sure it would be nice to have some prospects on the younger end of the age scale, but Gil was traded 4 seasons ago and hasn't done anything in the majors yet (29.1 innings IMO isn't anything). It has been 5 or so seasons since trading Ynoa, and out of the 140 innings the braves pitched to win the world series he got 1. So to me those trades don't bother me at all. My negatives of the front office, is how they have done a bad job of evaluating the prospects they inherited. Seems like the ones they held onto failed and the ones they left go have fared better, which may or not be true, just seems that way. There inability to communicate a plan to the fans, continuing to employ Rocco. 100% agree if the pitching prospects pan out, they will have hit a homer and both will move onto brighter pastures.
  3. solid logic, but trading away assets to get other assets that may help in the short and long term works as well. Look at the Odo and Maeda trades, neither were made with one year in mind. That is why IMO they aren't trading significant assets for one or two year players. They may trade an asset like Gil for them, but in no way are they giving up any top prospects. The big difference with MN and Oak, is Oak either figures out how to develop pitching or go out and get pitching that mostly works out and they can get all they can while under control and trade them before they walk away for more money. MN has shown no ability to develop pitchers, yet?
  4. I would say there is no chance of the two trades you mentioned, they are not giving Larnach up for 1 year control of 33 year old pitcher. that is the type of trade you do when you are shoring up a rotation for a contending team, not starting a rotation. The other trade, no way as well on two years of control of a 32 year old for possibly your starting catcher and maybe the best pitching prospect in the system. If the Twins trade for a pitcher this offseason and I hope they do, it is going to along the lines of a pitcher they believe will end up in the pen (Duran?) or young pitchers years away. That has been their MO the whole time.
  5. As is I don't see a way for him to make the team out of spring training, unless he has been working on Left Field all off season.
  6. I was not a fan of the last FO, but to say the cupboard bare isn't entirely true. Here are just a few major league players they had. Trevor May, Sean Poppen, Kyle Gibson, Joses Berrios, John Curtiss, Tyler Wells, Brusdar Graterol, Huascar Ynoa, Luis Gil, Chargois, Nick Anderson, Lewis Thorpe Plus were given some other prospects in Stephen Gonsalves, Fernando Romero, Felix Jorge, Tyler Jay, Stewart, while all failed they had a good trade value they first couple of years. The current FO traded a few that might turn out, kept a few too long, and others not long enough. Hopefully they don't do the same with the pitching prospects they have drafted and traded for.
  7. A bunch of people are going to hate or be real sad on your realistic view of the prospects. and lets not forget Ryan only has 26.2 major league innings, and Ober has only pitched in 20 MLB games
  8. This is the question any decent reporter should be asking the Twins FO!
  9. Can you help me again with that names that have been in the Tampa stable?
  10. Will they? for sure? Winder pitched 72 innings last year and dominated AA for 54.2, and wasn't great for the 17.1 in AAA. Duran pitched 16 in AAA and wasn't good. Balazovic did pitch 97 inning in AA and was mostly good. And has had a good run of success prior to last year, so he is the one I would bet on. I hope and kind of expect WInder to force his way up, but Duran I have zero faith in him (next year).
  11. If I had to choose Johan Santana (12 years), Andy Petitte (18) or Joe Nathan (16) it seems obvious is the best pitcher. Not sure how you can say that guy that saved 377 games and pitched less than a 1000 innings and wasn't even a good major league relief pitcher until he was 28 years old is a better candidate then a guy that won 256 games and pitched close to 4 times as many innings. By the time Petitte was 28 he had won almost 100 games and pitched in 1000 innings. Nathan was a great, great closer 7 years (6 dominant years in a row), good for 3, serviceable for 1, and not good for 5. I love Joe Nathan as a Twin, but that is no way is HOF worthy IMO. To me for a relief pitcher needs to be that great for much, much longer, which is why I wouldn't have put Hoffman in either.
  12. I think he is correct, it isn't a rebuild or a retool. The offensive is mostly set with Vets with a young guy sprinkled around. and the pitching staff is hope and prayer that some of these prospects work out. Besides SWR and Balazovic, they are fairly old to be considered high end prospects so you can't really wait much longer to get them into the majors. Is that really a prototype to follow? Baker was the only pitcher that ended up with a career WAR of above 5 as a starting pitcher. The missed the playoffs with Mauer (5.6 WAR), Morneau (4.2), Span (4.2), Gomez (2.1), Punto (2.1), Casilla(1.6), Harris (1.2), and a cast of others with a Plus WAR. Hernández was a misstep, but the biggest misstep was not mixing in some good vets to go with a good offense and young pitchers. The gave Bonser 118.1 innings with a 5.93 ERA Guerrier 76.1 with a 5.19, Hernández 139.2 with a 5.48, Brian Bass 68.1 with a 4.87, and Perkins (1.3 WAR) was just OK. To me this is an example of why they should bring in more than Bundy, kind of seems like history repeating it self.
  13. Lenny Faedo in 1982 started my Love/Hate affair with the Twins.
  14. So we going to lock the doors and close to the place down, because the place is full of cheaters.
  15. Not yet, but possibly soon ?
  16. Agreed with giving him some time, the issue might be he turns 25 in February and the next prospect might over take him as the future all star in the making. My hope is he has a good spring, starts off hot in AAA and is up mid season holding his own.
  17. There are many things I wish Kepler did better, but if you show most fans his numbers (without his name attached) for the last 4 years and say he will make less than 7 million each of the next two years, he would be the type of player the Twins should be trading for not trading away. Agreed great job Lucas. Kind of sounds like the plan for pitching this year?
  18. 42 million dollars for the best pitching you can get? Seems like a winning strategy, Maybe they should offer Kershaw a two year 50 million, then turn around and trade him for pitching prospects?
  19. I am mixing anything. I never expected the Twins to be where they are right now, because that FO has been telling us not to think that way, It is very rare when things go perfectly with a plan. And with this FO it seems sets up a good to great PLAN A, but never really anything after that. And so far this off season is more of the same except this time I am not even sure what Plan A is. With that said Plan A for 2024 looks great, Jeffers, Miranda, Lewis(?), Polanco, AK, Laranch, Buxton. Kepler, and a bunch of minor league pitching prospects in the rotation and pen. Not sure how many people will stick around for 2024, if 2022 goes the way of 2021 and/or the pitching prospects end up not living up to expectations, but hey we are Twins fans and continue to make excuses for the team. (That wasn't meant at you)
  20. Everything you said is solid logic, the question I really have is, was this the expectation the last few years? That they would take what was given, make a few upgrades here and there to be competitive but not really go for it, so that 2021-2024 could possibly be exciting? I know it wasn't mine.
  21. Question, can the Twins afford to have Gordon, Lewis, Martin and Palacios on the 40 man, by afford I mean will it work with the talk about how the will use the pitching staff? Lewis and Gordon are already on, it seems like moving Martin and/or Palacios on might mean cutting Gordon/Rocker or a pitcher they like? How many SS can they have on the 40 at one time?
  22. Confused as what I said that was not true? Do you think the odds are he is one of the top two or three short stops in the american league in 2023 are better than him starting the season in the minors that year? He did have a great AFL in 2019 and I believe without Covid he would/could have forced his way up in 2020, but Covid happened and so did his injury. So is there a chance he forces his way up this year yes (that is what I hope happens), but is it more likely he takes time to get back into the swing of things, and it is the next year he forces his way up, probably? But unless I am reading something wrong, he had 25 at bats, hit .200 1 double, two homers, 7 K's and no walks in spring training in 2020? and Arraez batting average in the minors is the same as Lewis's OBP.
  23. Totally agree with you, I was commenting on cornholio saying he might have started earlier based on some stats, instead of when his trainer said he started. So my thoughts are you either believe his trainer or you don't, you can't start making up things because of some random stat.
  24. I think with Pudge, Bagwell, and a lesser extent Piazza and Raines/Molitor and possibly others, keeping anybody out is silly (Maybe not Manny/AROD) I find it funny two of the better Twins the last few years have been suspended for PED, IF Polanco continue to play like 2019 and 2021 for the next 8-10 years are we going to say he shouldn't be a HOF?
  25. Brian McNamee said he started in 1998 and was his trainer in 97, so are to believe him or not?
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