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  1. TheLeviathan
    I agree with you in general - set a high bar. I think when you've gone in to detail about what that means for you personally, it has run into some problems. This FO is the one that traded for Duran and Ryan. So yeah.....they actually might be good at that.
  2. TheLeviathan
    Same, I would rather extend Ryan. But we can't operate like we don't have penny-pinching misers in the ownership suite. If he's not going to be extended, then 2028 is an apocalypse for our pitching staff. Waiting for it to implode, knowing you won't have the money to alter that outcome, would be foolish. So for all those fans unlike Mike and I (and others)....you're going to have to come to grips with what is on the horizon in 2028 and the realistic odds of retaining any of those five critical pitchers. Some will have to be traded at some point. That doesn't mean it has to be Ryan, but ruling him out probably isn't wise either.
  3. TheLeviathan
    I mean....we traded for Joe Ryan. We dealt a 342 year old dude who was a super cool cat and good at launching bombs.....but we got Joe Ryan for him. And....um....we got Duran for an ok third baseman. So I'm going to disagree with you my friend....you absolutely can acquire this kind of talent. If you're willing to deal talent.
  4. TheLeviathan
    That last sentence is the key. I'd prefer we hand him a nice contract extension. But will we? And if we won't.....well then doesn't this option have to at least be considered?
  5. TheLeviathan
    Comps for Joe Ryan aren't many. Juan Soto is a slightly similar case and the haul he got would be amazing. But seriously, the demand of a top 10 prospect would be incredibly limiting by definition. A simple look at MLB"s top 100 has 4 of the 10 belonging to teams that aren't buying. Two more belong to our division rival in Detroit. You're left with the Phillies, Brewers, Padres, and Red Sox. That's not a wide range of options. I hope our FO isn't artificially limiting those options. Shop players. To everyone. See what you can get and pull the trigger if you can add some more talent (particularly in our regular nine) to this organization. And definitely consider moving bullpen arms when they can fetch highly regarded position player talent.
  6. TheLeviathan
    I think we line up really well to trade with the Cubs. They have quite a bit of AA and AAA talent that fits our next group of players. However, I want another piece in this trade. Alcantara, Horton, someone.
  7. TheLeviathan
    Who does that? The same organization currently not doing that?
  8. TheLeviathan
    I wouldn't give up on the kid. I would give up on the process that seems to keep yielding these same disappointing struggles however.....whatever process that is behind the scenes.
  9. TheLeviathan
    You pretend you are Mr. Fixit every time you troll another post to tell them they are wrong. It is implicit (at times explicit) criticism of their perspective. If you were a neutral, humble observer.....you wouldn't find so much space to hit "disagree" and critique everyone else. You don't get to go around telling everyone they're wrong and then hide behind a veil of not being an expert. That's just not a fair way to conduct discussions or engage with decency.
  10. TheLeviathan
    That's one heck of a way to start a post that then leads to a paragraph of baseball managing critiques. It's also rich in irony from someone quick to tell everyone else they're wrong without ever having the decency to post their own thoughts. (Including, when requested specifically, right now)
  11. TheLeviathan
    I think you point out a good thing in that last sentence. Even if Rushing doesn't stick as a catcher....it's not like the Twins don't have a gaping hole at 1B he could help with too.
  12. TheLeviathan
    By all means....lay out your plan for the team to improve this year, next year, or by 2028 when every notable arm on the staff is set to hit free agency. You disagree with posts that state facts, downgrade fans for their opinions, and speak in generalities about the right/wrong thing to do. Maybe it's time for you to actually state an opinion rather than troll those posted by everyone else.
  13. TheLeviathan
    What's the argument here? We should be happy our catcher is hitting like a 29 year old career minor leaguer who played for a minor league team dressed as a major league team and now is on our team thanks to a minor league deal? You got me.....I would like better than that. Guilty as charged. Especially when one of those two makes 10M on a shoestring budget.
  14. TheLeviathan
    This is a great argument, I'm on the "trade Duran" side and I admit at least some of that is my own personal vibes on whether he can sustain it. Couple that with getting the bigger return for him is why I lean that way. But you're not wrong here in your analysis either.
  15. TheLeviathan
    That's a good argument, I think I still lean Duran just because we've seen how delicate his success can be with the struggles last year. I think Jax relying on a much more balanced/nasty repertoire gives him longer staying power. However, I think reasonable folks can fall on either side of that line with good arguments. So in saying that....I wouldn't fight either way on the "right" one to deal. I would fight, however, with anyone that thinks holding on to both of them is the right move. Sometime between now and February one of them should move. IMO, with relievers, the time to do that is the deadline. On Ryan? I'd offer him 5 years and 130M and plan to deal Pablo this offseason. But if you are getting vibes as a FO that 5/130 ain't going to cut it.....then I'm absolutely willing to move now.
  16. TheLeviathan
    He's from here, that's 90% of team control I'm pretty sure.....
  17. TheLeviathan
    I actually did. Plus my first post references the Dan Hayes article that I refwrred to.
  18. TheLeviathan
    All fair points but there are some things worth countering with: * The Brewers waiting as long as they did....seriously hurt the return they got. Team control has a lot of value in baseball, so if you wait to make decisions until the clock is running out, you have to factor that into your return no matter how talented the player is. * The Twins don't have to suspect an injury for any particular reason....Duran is a hard thrower. Guys like him often, eventually, get hurt. Throw in the fluctuation we often see in relievers and there are valid reasons to wonder how long he can stay at this level. Think back to this time last year: he really struggled in July. He had almost as many losses as saves in July and August. (5 losses, 7 saves) There were genuine questions about whether he was alright. Right now, those questions don't exist. They might by October. *It's cute you think we'll ever have new owners. :)
  19. TheLeviathan
    It's so easy to love Duran and the security we mostly have closing games. But if you can't freaking get leads because your regular 9 aren't good enough....the most badass bullpen in the world isn't going to save you. Plus, this organization seems to be especially good at creating bullpen arms. Leverage that.
  20. TheLeviathan
    I mean....if we do nothing we won't be competitive either. What's the path to get better if not to trade some of the talent we have now?
  21. TheLeviathan
    What team is going to take their number 5 hitter and offer it up for a closer in July? Like.....in what world would that ever happen?
  22. TheLeviathan
    Duran, Jax, Ober, Lopez, and Ryan all become free agents the same year. How many do you think ownership ponies up to retain? Whatever that answer is.....the rest leave you for nothing in two seasons. You can deal them or get nothing and the longer you wait to deal them, the more their value diminishes. It's not ideal, but such is life with a budget/ownership situation like this.
  23. TheLeviathan
    I just don't think you're going to get both of them. But I have no problem demanding at least one of them in a deal.
  24. TheLeviathan
    You haven't given a position, just vague, muddled arguments. In fact, your initial beef was with me calling it foolish and incompetent for the Twins to think they can deal Duran or Jax for a guy who is in someone else's major league lineup. I 100% stand by it. You now give me an example from Tampa that happened in the offseason, for a hitter that was not a major leaguer at that time. You also gave another example (at least this time it was a major leaguer) that happened in the offseason. Neither refute that it's foolish, in July, to think you are going to get someone's 2 hitter Randy Arozerena for Duran. That deal isn't going to happen right now and the Twins shouldn't be shutting any doors with demands like that. They can also wait and try to make that sort of a deal in the offseason, but limiting your options is a foolish way to trade.
  25. TheLeviathan
    But you have to be somewhat realistic in what the returns will be too. There is a chance, maybe even a very good chance, that the Twins get nothing out of selling off. But what alternative is there? Let's rewind to 2021: they dealt Cruz for Ryan, Berrios for Martin and SWR, and then some guys that mostly turned into nothing except Sisk who was dealt for Michael A. Taylor. Clearly they didn't come out ahead on Berrios, but they definitely did on Cruz. The other guys were received for humans that were barely worth giving a uniform in Happ and Robles. But what else happened in 2021? Cubs got PCA for Baez. Nats got Lane Thomas for Lester. Cubs got Alcantara for Rizzo. Rangers got Duran and Smith for Gallo. Marlins got Luzardo for Marte. There were also some bad returns. (Looking at you Nats for Turner and Scherzer, among others) But what if the Twins had been in the mix with Polanco? Or Donaldson? Or Sano? Kepler? Duffy? Colome? Theilbar? Would we have desperately missed any of those guys in the last four years or might it have been nice to snag some lotto tickets we might be cashing in today? Worst case scenario......we end up with squat. But...isn't that what we got anyway? (To be clear...I'm on the "Extend Ryan, deal Lopez this offseason" train when it comes to the rotation. But we should absolutely be dealing Duran or Jax if the offers are juicy)
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