TheLeviathan

100% with you. The Varland one I can't wrap my head around unless they really, really like the two guys they got. But even then.... The rest? I breathe easy knowing we aren't in this awful place of pretending we're good enough. Trade Lopez this offseason and truly rebuild the organization. Tippy top to bottom.

I don't want to argue value or any of that. I get where you're at on it, so this is not an effort to disagree with where you stand. But for me? This was (credit to @Aggies7) sorta cathartic. Wheel spinning complacency was just not what I wanted anymore. I'm ready for a new era. I hope the next domino on that agenda is ownership.

I have no idea if they did well today. If every one of these moves is garbage at least I can say this much: They didn't piddle around and do nothing. It's an absolutely crazy sea change in the organization and that much, at least, was something I wanted to see. Now let's do a similar gutting of those above the players. Starting with the ones cutting checks. (Sorta. Handing out pennies?)

I think for me it's just how little trust I have in Stewart to stay healthy.

I am just fine swapping Stewart's ticking timebomb of a shoulder for a former ROTY contender. Little older than I'd like, but I'm game to gamble on a dude like this.

Pfft...our track record of pitcher health records is impeccable!

Nice lotto ticket and a dude hitting well in AA sounds good by me. Bader might be likable, but he's not supee valuable. I like the return.

Would anyone have rather done Duran for De Vries? Not sure we have the equivalent of Sears.

Preach Brock. The Pohlads have brought this reality upon us. They pulled the payroll out from under their FO and their chosen FO wasn't creative enough to pivot and find solutions. We've never quite got the development thing humming and even when we feel like we have talent, we're always facing down the impending doom of having to pay them knowing ownership will fight tooth and nail to do it. I wish I could believe the Pohlads are in their final days with this organization.....but I can't shake the feeling that their inability to do basic business is going to keep being a problem. Even down to them selling that business off for a mind-blowing level of profit. This fan isn't going to believe they're done bungling until the press conference with the new owners happens.

The middle infield age cliff is a real thing......

I really hope they have a plan to unlock some tweeks with him. The organization has proven a knack for that with pitchers to at least some small degree.

This thread is a monument to how the Pohlads are the true villain here. They're the reason we have to sell. The reason we're all pissed about our situation. The reason we have no future options to improve it. They managed to make 1.2M for The Dobber a hot button issue. (For good reason - Eff those cheapskates) But nothing encapsulates our predicament more than this thread. Ugh.

I expected him up, but maybe they just want to work with him a bit and line his rest up with the rotation slot he's going into.

Yeah, definitely have never heard a single NFL fan complain about how offense plays and the difficulty player safety rules have caused defenses...... The cows are dead. Burgers ain't coming back.

If they're lucky! /s (Edited to make sure no one read that seriously!)

I was on board to shop Duran and I'm still in support of making bold moves. We've been the worst team in baseball for most of the summer, no sacred cows. That said....Painter, Miller, or Crawford needed to be in this deal for me. I'd feel much different about it if they were. As is....not happy with the targets they got back. I hope I end up wrong.

If anybody wants some salt in their wounds, check this out:

There it is folks - a rental reliever just netted two nice AAA prospects. The third guy ain't bad either.

People are aware of their record since June 1st right? 19-32 since June 1st White Sox are 20-29 (Did a quick count, might be wrong) We're not "becoming" bad. We ARE bad. We WERE bad.

Ok...well let's use that analogy: why do you then return to that same burger place over and over and over again and expect anything different? Knowing - and this is the key - with absolute certainty that it's never going back. It can't go back. Cows are dead. We live in a world now where the ingredients of that previous burger literally do not exist on the planet. Griping....knowing that.....seems really absurd doesn't it? That's the problem baseball fans have. The other major sports let their eyeballs work and see the plainly simple truth: there is no going back.

I don't necessarily agree. There are many people that wish football was back to three yards and a cloud of dust. Lots of hockey fans wish it was 7-5 every night. NBA fans hate that the mid-range game has dried up. I think baseball fans just happen to be the most resistant bunch of fans to change. They always have been. Half the league held nonsense arguments about "strategy" for decades so they could keep running guys out there who were hitting .090 in the 9 hole. Baseball fans haven't accepted that your 9 hitter today is putting together much better at-bats, with much more potential for damage than 40 years ago. That your average 4th starter today is throwing the ball at a velocity, with a spin rate, and a repertoire that would've made them an ace in 1970. Baseball doesn't let you "see" the growth in athleticism the way jumping does in the NBA. Or the agility and ferocity of the NFL. Or the skating and goalie magic of the NHL. It's more subtle. Extra velocity. More dive on a pitch. More spin you can't see on your TV. Arm angles that don't translate on your viewing experience. So combine the fact that many baseball fans are more predisposed to resist change with a more subtle (but still wildly impactful) athleticism....and it's a recipe for the complaints. I get it. I just wish more fans tried to understand why it's changing rather than just griping about it.

Fair, those dynamics from afar seem odd. I seem to recall last year some squabbles that became public that I thought centered on those two. Frankly...part of my reason for selling is because I don't see the vision or the captain to lead it on this team. If it weren't for the misers pocketing the money, I'd be cheering hard to make this deal happen.

I'll take Christian Walker and an A-ball flyer. I think Correa hit the early 30s wall and I want to tap out while I can. I hate saying that knowing the Pohlads will dink around with the money and put us back in the Terry Ryan Discount Aisle of player acquisition. But better that than forcing a diminished player out at the most important position on the field while paying 20% of payroll to him to be a negative value.