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How the hell did this turn into some sort of moratorium on Emmanuel Rodriguez? (I’ve watched him in person several times, this move does not affect him in the slightest, for the record). This isn’t that hard. Until we get a follow on move, which I believe is coming, Bader is MAT. Bader is what Margot was supposed to be. Which is a damn valuable role on this team. It doesn’t rob squat from anyone. It's the same as Farmer. Don’t hate the vet for being not great, hate that the kid couldn’t beat him out.

Not this year, at least not right away. But my hunch is that the next move makes him a full time player.

Probably should say "depth". It is a lot of guys. 40 man moves are required. But if that's true, why are you worried about finding a spot for Emma? I think he plays more than anyone thinks. Like full time regular.

So be patient for the follow up move. A decent money contract, with an option, screams that the follow up move will be related to the outfield depth. Bader has a spot until one of Emma or Jenkins plays him off it. That's my hunch.

I’m going to go out on a limb and assume someone that frequents a baseball message board in January is vaguely aware that these Jackson’s don’t have the same name.

That’s about exactly where 2023 Jurickson Profar ranked as well. We are due for some lightning in a bottle. I like it, even if it seems a bit expensive.

How much is this muffler? I kinda like it but the cost will define. Too much and something might be going away.

Follow up move coming to enshrine the rule 5 guy in the minors. Big doins.

You cut off the part where I said that makes comparison very difficult. So you could argue against a point I wasn’t making. You know what else is different? Winter.

Speaking of projection systems. Currently available betting lines at DraftKings/Fanduel. Hedge on hedge on hedge. Twins-84.5/83.5 Royals-83.5/82.5 Tigers-83.5/83.5 Gaurdians-83.5/82.5 White Sox-51.5/52.5

Did you know San Diego was the only MLB team to have the market to itself? No other major professional teams there. It makes comparisons with anyone else much harder to make. The point is, that the team with the most idea setup for maximizing revenue of an MLB franchise is still going to get defeated by irresponsible spending. They can't operate the way they do without a loose pocketed billionaire funding it. Not one MLB team can spend at those levels without an outlier influx of cash, including the Dodgers. To the point of the article, I agree, keeping people talking about you all the time is good. Spending $340m to do it is not the way. Had the Twins finished the season on a high note, they could easily sit on their hands for the entire offseason and no one (outside Gleeman) would care. Buzz would be buzzing.

Outta space, shoulda put a roof on it.

Not to ceed to any of these points. And yet, none of that will matter when the wheels fall off. Will those fans still sell out for a 60 win team? Bad spending always wins over time.

The Padres... When the merry go round stops and you have 100m on the retired list. Rah Rah, indeed.

Where is he going to get starts? Wichita? On the other hand, we could be pioneers and have the first 8 man rotation, except they piggyback. Duran and Stewart close, bobs your uncle. On a more serious note, this is a good problem to have. He would be a nice low key trade chip to a team that sees him as a starter. Just be prepared to see a Joe Ryan we traded away. With 4 years control he could be a nice piece for someone. I the meantime, he'd be something like 9th on the depth chart as a starter. Dang it, I hate having a pitching pipeline.

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@Greggory Masterson Gregg pretty much had this wired a few weeks ago when he wrote about the arb savings being meaningful. If they came in 2.4 under their projection, they would have also planned for a similar overpay variation. It adds up perfectly. Is it enough for Mark Cahna?

At least they been trying new things over the years. The explosion of the Asian market was always going to be driven by west coast teams but that revenue is also a full league product. No chance the big east markets are going to let the balance slip away from them easily. As the pendulum swings from coast to coast, more money spills out in flyover country. Unfortunately the Twins and others are probably only left with spillage no matter what they do.

Man, Preller gets worse and worse the more I hear about him. This is a perfect summation of the situation. Yes, King and Cease are free agents next year but it would be insane not to take a run until at least the deadline. Wheeler dealer Preller is more than capable of swinging things then. It almost feels like they need to package one of the bad contracts with Cease to get some flexibility. That rules me out.

For the same reasons in the bat speed article we can reasonably assume that a former #5 overall pick and someone who dominated college baseball can be a functional major leaguer. He's thinking, not playing. He wouldn't be the first guy who was overwhelmed by the big leagues in his first year. In fact, it's the most common reaction to the majors. He didn't play 1000 innings of centerfield with Rocco (great centerfielder) and the Minnesota Twins (who have a fairly decent history with centerfield) thinking he could be a darn good centerfielder, to suddenly be ready to be put out to pasture. Is he going to be fantastic? Probably not, but he can certainly be functional. Just make mistakes at full speed.

Last year we were discussing a pitching addition in terms of the clearing the line of what we currently had. We discussed clearing the Ryan line, the Ober line, even the SWR line. There may even have been a Disco line. This year the line is clearly clearing Pablo, without losing Pablo. Moving Pablo to add another Pablo is just a variation of the innings eater addition.

I acknowledged that he’s sold tickets, and that’s not nothing. But the merry go round is about to stop. When evaluating these positions one must ask the question-what would have happened if we had done nothing? AJ Preller is a net negative. It’s not just Clase. Just go look at the list, don’t get too wrapped around individual names. The sheer volume is astounding.

Endy Rodriguez and Brent Rooker aren't in the top 10 of guys I'd be worried about him sending away. His history is horrible. I'm talking Emmanual Clase for "Brett Nicholas". At something like #7 on the list.

Great is not the word I’d use to describe him, not after taking a look at how his actual trades worked out. Had his squads ever won anything we could look at it differently but all he’s done is shuffle the deck chairs facilitating his competitors rebuilds and now his honey hole has dried up. I posted a short summary of his trade tree earlier in this thread and to say if a Twins GM had that history Twins Daily would have already melted into a puddle of goo. AJ Preller is the cautionary tale for Twins fans begging for them to do something. It might sell tickets, and that’s not nothing, but that team is in trouble. I’ve been looking into him a bit with this news and you are certainly correct in that he is a wheeler dealer of the highest order. As with most wheeler dealers, they don’t actually perform that well and they MUST make more deals to stay ahead of the reaper. I think that’s exactly why we are hearing these rumors. Preller finds himself with a new owner and a vastly different mandate. I think his new motivation is going to be restocking the farm the only way he knows how. That brings us to Vazquez. In the last year of his contract with an uber prospect in Salas close, Vazquez would be gone at the deadline. Same with Paddack and Castro as rumored names go. It sounds like the Cease and Vazquez topics are different discussions but from his perspective, if he can get one really good prospect and a bunch of deadline ammunition to maximize return on Cease it might make sense to a wheeler dealer. Minnesota fans would never think like this, but Preller almost certainly is. I’d bet he’s having this conversation with every team that has good expiring contracts.