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All this talk of possibly trading Arraez is based on the assumption that the front office would "win" the trade. If you lose the trade, we would all agree it was a bust. Has anyone paid attention to the "win" percentage of this front office? They ran this team into the ground (last place in baseball's worst division) and you expect to see something different? I don't get it.

Like someone said previously, we have this discussion every year. And every year, we hope he gets better only to be disappointed again and again. We should have traded him years ago when he at least had some trade value. He had none now. He is a disaster in the field. He is a strike out machine. Trading him in the past would have prevented a lot of heartburn. Oh well. Certainly, we should still trade him if we can find a sucker. I'd even take a Subway coupon if that's all you can get.

Anybody that watched the playoffs had to be thinking about the Twins own talent deficit. We are a million miles away from being a legitimate contender. Even the possibility of having Cave in the outfield next year shows the shocking lack of talent. The hole the front office is making just keeps getting deeper. They are going to have to offer 5 dollar seats.

This year was similar to 2019, where several players had their best year all at the same time. It was also similar in that it ended with a dismal showing in the playoffs. The paragraph about Punto was especially true. His highlight real from third base was off the charts. At a certain point in the season, you could have made a point he was one of their most valuable players. That sounds weird, but that's how well he played most of the time.

If the Twins care about their fan base they won't resign Simmons or Colome. If they care about winning, they won't resign Simmons or Colome. I've already lost my confidence in the front office, so if they choke on this, I won't be surprised.

All those things you said about the Metrodome are absolutely true. I miss her too. For those of us that just like to simply go and watch baseball, the Metrodome advantages you mentioned are significant. You could afford to go to more games, you'd be more comfortable inside (temps), you'd never had to be screwed over with a rain out or maybe even worse yet, have to endure a long rain delay. It was easier to get a foul ball souvenir. And back then, people actually watched the game instead of their stupid phones. It was also a place our team could actually win a playoff game.

This same article (and comments) written after the 2022 season will not look the same. After their second year in a row of non-competitive baseball, people will start to finally see the dismal situation that this front office has created. I'd give them an F just for hiring Rocco, not to mention their other misfires. Just wait until the end of next year. You'll see.

For those of you that thought Rocco deserved a grade better than D-, I don't understand you. I don't understand why you make excuses for him. Why settle for the same old failure and disappointment? How can you watch a game and say he is what they need to be a winner? Rocco is dreadful and it saddens me that not enough fans see that. Because until there is consensus on his poor management, we are doomed to more crappy baseball. Yes, the front office has been terrible, and share the blame for this season and the next few, (as there are going to be more of the same). But that is no excuse for being terrible at his job on a nightly basis. The list is long of things he is poor at. Many were mentioned in previous posts. I've never seen any Twins manager look so clueless as I do now looking at Rocco. (he is worse than Ray Miller at this point). BTW, I've been watching since 1972. The list of things he is actually good at is extremely small. The only one that I can think of is that he is a good interviewer. How else could he have convinced anyone to hire him? Using injuries as an excuse is tiresome. Giving him a good grade in the second half when all the games were meaningless, is stupid. He was one of the primary reasons their season was over after 30-45 days in the first place. To say managers are overrated in their significance to success/failure is also off the mark. If they don't matter, why even have them? Why not grab someone out of the crowd to manage? In fact, they do matter. Many pennant races are determined by a few games. Certainly you can't suggest that poor game management decisions couldn't cost a team a title. Baseball, as in life, you are supposed to learn from your mistakes. Rocco simply doesn't. If you want to blame the players, the front office for picking those players, fine, I would agree. But the Tigers, Royals and Indians didn't have good players either, and they were better that we were. Rocco is a difference maker, in that he makes the Twins even worse. Just think about it, the Twins couldn't be competitive in baseball's worse division, the Comedy Central. The Twins, in their current management situation have about as much chance of a title as the Detroit Lions have of winning a Super Bowl. I want my kids to see competent baseball and a hope of winning a single playoff game. Every year with Rocco is another year wasted. Grade: F If I were in a crowded theatre, I'd still yell "Fire".

Endless strikeouts, terrible defense, meaningless 2nd half homers. Pass

Last place in the worst division in baseball, the Comedy Central. Thankfully it will be over soon.

Funny, this article produced the opposite affect from readers than it should have. Because readers wanted to make a point that Simmons isn't the absolute worst free agent, they ended up sticking up for him, making excuses for him. He is dreadful and shouldn't have been signed. But the real crime is that we didn't cut him loose many moons ago. That's on the team management and not on him. This move also forced Arraez out of position that didn't really work well. And this was SUPPOSED to help the defense.

I read most of the comments on this article. I am really choking on the praise of Terry Ryan. People really forgot how awful he was. I think it is similar to the fact that terrible ex-presidents have their approval ratings go up over time. Those interviews of him on the radio made me sick. His over-the-top arrogance was really sickening. It was like, "how dare you challenge anything I say?" He thought of himself as some baseball god. Like I said, over time, people forget. As far as the current front office is concerned, they'd get poor grades from free agent signings, roster management, pitching development, and more. But their worst sin is the hiring of Rocco. The readers won't agree with me but I'm telling you, you will in another year or two. Instead of making excuses for him, they will see what I, my family and friends have seen for a while now. He is clueless and the worst manager we've had since Ray Miller.

How this type of play (regardless of the player) doesn't reflect on the manager, I don't know. There's plenty of people on this site that will stick up for Rocco but their rationale for doing so is getting weaker by the day.

Can we get rid of Simmons yet? He's just so bad.

And the Turtle can't catch and hit better than Rortvedt? Rocco never gave him a real chance at catcher, the only position that would have given him some stability on the team. Hope you enjoy the sub .200 BA's.

The season has been over for a long time. The dream of 2019 being the baseline of performance expectations is laughably gone. They have a bad ball club. Period. When you have players that another team wouldn't even take if you paid the salary, says a lot. Since the season is lost already, seeing what you have and planning for the future should be the primary objective. It drives me crazy that we are wasting all these at bats (and pitch-innings) on players that won't be with the Twins next year or certainly won't be part of our needed rebuild. These evaluation at bats are one of the few assets we have left. We are wasting them on duds like Sano and Simmons. I think a new manager is necessary (I could list 50 reasons) for the rebuild too but that is another discussion. When Cruz is traded and we immediately lose 30 percent of our offense, perhaps then the readers of this site will see tweaking the roster a little bit is not much of a plan forward. Like the saying goes, drastic times call for drastic measures. I would like to see a sense of urgency. This team is a complete mess. I would like my kids to witness at least one playoff win before I die.

How about Delmon Young?

I am the only one foolish enough to watch this crappy game? Soon, there will be more discussion about trades than the games themselves.

I still think 100 loss season is possible. If that's what it will take to get rid of Rocco, I'm OK with it. The Twins are A LONG distance away from winning a playoff game. And if you keep Rocco, that long distance becomes NEVER.

I would be sad if we keep him. I've watched the majority of the games. His arm sucks. He makes a lot of mistakes that don't show up in the stats like dropping cutoff throws. Plus his baserunning is terrible. Hard to believe some stats show him to be solid at SS. That is not how I'd describe him. He is not part of the future. He is instead, just a part of a losing ball club. Give the reps to someone else that might have a future with us. Not a fan.

100 loss season is still in play. Please fire Rocco. Please... Our family watched the game and we all laughed when Colome gave up the predictable bomb. Way to take us out of the game Rocco. We also laughed when Rocco called on Sano K King to pinch hit with again, predictable results. It is so pathetic that all you can do is laugh. And I agree with the clown car music comment.

Now that nearly everyone on this site is agreeing that there will be no great turn-around this season, it's time to look forward to the changes that will be necessary to be competitive in a few years. This includes firing Rocco. There is almost nothing he does well. I am tired of all the excuses people make for him, including injuries and bad luck. If they do not fire him, do you honestly think next year will be better, even with some different players?

I hope not. I enjoy watching his at bats even when he is struggling, compared to most of the Twins. However, if true, it would be sad and just more evidence that the team won't be competitive for quite some time.

Just ask yourself, what could you get in return if the Twins trade Sano? The answer is not much at all. And that is your answer on his supposed value. How many more years will we have to debate this? I will admit, in 2019, he had a great year. But so did almost everybody on the team. It was a fluky year. When the last game is played in 2021, Sano's stats are going to show an overall poor season. It was predictable.

Rob Refsnyder was playing like an all-star (except the error) and the Twins are lucky to have a player like that make such a huge contribution. Celebrating the winning streak needs to be tempered at bit, because it comes from beating such an awful team. Still, winning when you are supposed to is good. No mentions about our supposed hot hitter Sano? He looks worthless again, just like he did most of the season (except for one week). 4 K's again. Yuck. I wish we could trade him but they'd be no takers. It surprises me that so many on this site like him so much and are fooled by every little mini-hot streak. And this current hot streak happened after the Twins are out of contention. Clutch. How many times does Simmons have to drop the ball or make a crappy weak throw for people to notice? I listened to Gleeman-Geek podcast this week. He said Latroy Hawkins sounded good on the air. Gleeman must have had too many beers. Cheers