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  1. Battle ur tail off
    And if you want to continue to believe that guys that are 24-26 and still in the minor leagues are going to save this franchise, go for it. I will continue my belief that talent is talent and it rises to the top quickly, always has. In the last 20 years, I will bet my house that there are more guys that developed into ML aces called up before they are 23 than those that have been older than that when they debuted. Hell, even bullpen arms usually work this way.
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    I didn't say anything about players that can impact a roster. Any player that is of starting caliber in the major leagues will imact their roster. Studs, #1 and 2 starters. That is all I am worried about. 3-5s can be had at any time in free agency or drafted and developed with late round picks or had in trades every year. And if you aren't going to have it in your starting rotation, then you better have a knock out bullpen. This is what separates teams that can compete for titles from those that can't IMO. Stud pitching. Buy it or develop/trade for it. Twins have done neither, thus the reason they haven't won a playoff game in 800 years. Teams that can develop it or have bought it: Cleveland, Tampa, LA, NY, Boston, Oakland. Houston. SEE A TREND HERE?
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    Correct and this is exactly what I was getting at in my post. One guy took till 26 to get the show, the rest were up before 24. If you are good, going to be great, you are up here in your early and mid 20s already playing big boy ball. Not sitting in A or AA like the guys in our system. As usual, you have a bunch of 3-5 starter types. Exactly the problem with this organization for many years. We don't develop pitching. PS - Every team in the league develops those same back end of the rotation starters...
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    OK, we can run that out to 23 then. If the kid is a top pitcher in college and is drafted high and produces right away, BANG ML roster. My point is, when these kids have been in our system for 2-4 years, are in their mid 20's and haven't been to the show yet, the chances of them being anything more than that 3-5 starter I was talking about is very little.
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    I don't watch as much as I used to either. Alot of it is the fact that my daughter plays travel softball. Let me tell you this. It is a much better game to watch. Pitcher gets the sign and goes. Lots of running, bunting, hitting fielding, old school type ball. These girls play 10x harder than what I see on an MLB field. The game only goes 7 innings and most are done within an hour, hour and half. Baseball is losing viewers IMO, because it is too long and the game is too slow. Also, the #1 reason IMO, is that everyone knows it is not setup fair. It is huge in east coast markets and LA where all the best players are paid 100x more than they are worth. Across the rest of the league though, fans know many times before the season even starts that their team has zero chance. In short, WAY MORE have nots, than haves.
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    Not the type of pitching that is needed to win in the playoffs. There are only 2 ways to get that. Draft or trade for and develop. Or trade or sign it and give up all kinds of money or prospects. Twins have done neither since Santana...
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    I am 100% with you. If these guys are gonna be aces, meaning true bonafide aces. They are in the show at 21-22. We don't have ANY of those types of arms. We have guys that were drafted low, etc. We had our chances to take top pitching the last 10 years and always want to try and get SS and CFers around here. There isn't a pitching prospect in the Twins system that rates out as an Ace type. It is the same exact thing it always is. Guys that profile into that 3-5 starter role or long relief man. We need guys in this day and age with hammer offspeed pitches or guys that run the gun up toward 95-99 mph with movement and command. Those are aces. You have to take chances, both in your drafting, trading and international signings though if you want those kinds of pitchers. Twins have always played it safe and continue to do so. Even as good as this kid from Toronto seems to be. IMO, that trade needed to be centered on the very best pitching prospect you could get. We already have Lewis and Buxton to tantalize us with athleticm. And to be honest, neither one of them has done a hell of alot for the team yet either.
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    I agree. And if they trade any one of Buxton, Berrios, or Rogers. They flat out MUST get at least one guy AND develop him into a top line starter. This is where the FO should be making their money. So far, neither that last FO nor this one has developed anyone that can start games and be in the top 1/3 of the league except Berrios. Trading for, or drafting and developing top line arms are what this organization has struggled at for quite some time. It needs to be better flat out or we will never see what we want to see here and that is winning playoff baseball games.
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    People understand it. But what we don't understand is why would the Twins make a 7/70 offer when a 5/100 will be on the table? It's insulting and a classic "we tried" move. Teams flat out WILL pay Buxton that kind of money. It's risky, but it will happen. Twins are off the mark by about 20-40% just like they always are when this kind of thing happens. Leopards can't change their spots. Hunter 3/45 - 5/90 Santana - 4/80 - 6/137
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    And this is exactly what I am talking about. Twins give up big time talent and bring back wet blankets, #4-5 starters, 4th outfielder, league average players and tout how great of a job they did. When is the last time that any seller-type trade the Twins made brought back a real difference maker?
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    Then there is no need to move him. He is a top reliever and we have the worst bullpen on the planet. Quit giving away talent and bringing back wet blankets for them.
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    I agree, if they trade Rogers, they need back a guy that projects as a stud. I want a top 30 MLB prospect for him. Quality, not quantity.
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    I don't think it is cause for termination. The cause for termination would be when they do end up trading these guys and the pieces they get back don't develop into anything. If they trade them, they flat out need 2-4 guys that contribute at an extremely high level back for them. I'm not talking about #4 starters, 4th outfielders or replacement level guys. I am talking about #1 starters, top 10 league MVP type guys. Trading Kirby Puckett and Frank Viola would have been enough to stockpile the organization for years. This is a fairly similar situation. These 2 guys are flat out the 2 best players we have. If they trade these guys, they MUST get back and develop the players into huge pieces that lead to something close to a title. If not, CAN THEM
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    He can expect it because he agent is at work feeling around and knows it's 20+ per year the minute he hits the FA market. Yes, he has another year of arb left, but the fact is, he WILL be paid much more than the offer the Twins gave. That is why he is doing it. Would you take an offer that is half of what the rest of the league will offer you? No one would. He and his agent are not dumb. They will flat out not accept this token offer from the Twins.
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    They could have with an ace and a stud closer. But the Twins don’t ever go for it. That year they hit all the bombs they needed to go all in and of course didn’t. Afraid to ever go for it. Hold onto all their prospects, etc. this organization won’t win a title unless they are able to develop 3/5 of a pitching rotation and 3 solid bullpen arms and all are young and affordable. They simply do not have the guts to go for it when it is there for the taking
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    It’s 5/110 or so and everyone knows it. Twins offer is laughable. Is it a risk at that money? Heck yeah, big time! That said, that is what he will get. He is the best athlete in the game and possibly the fastest. 10 million a year for this guy when garbage #4 pitchers make that is just not even close. He will get 20 mill per year or more whenever he signs a deal. Book it
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    No, it's not new information. That is why when fans fall for reports like this, they are gullible. This is just another "we tried" piece and anyone that has been around for long enough knows it. The offer for Buxton will be one top 100 prospect + filler garbage. Take that to the bank. Everyone knows the Twins won't pay him what the market says he is worth. Why would anyone give up a top 15 in baseball type prospect AND have to pay the man when they can just wait another year and keep that top 15 guy? You saw this exact thing with Santana. What did we get for the best pitcher in Twins history? Almost nothing. Not one prospect that was in the top 20 in any lists and a whole pile of steaming garbage. The return will likely be equal to or less this for yet another top player that the whole league knows this organization has no real intention of signing...
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    Just watch what happens. Teams have the Twins over a barrel just like they did with Santana and they know it. There are only a few teams out there that will be willing to give Buxton the big money because of that risk he carries and it will be the same teams that wanted to rape Johan from us.
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    This is exactly what it looks like IMO. A 70 million dollar offer when 100+ will be on the table for almost certain. He won't sign here, folks, so get ready for it. If he was going to sign here, you honestly wouldn't even see this article. The deal would just be done and we would hear specifics. This is basically the Twins doing damage control as more than likely IMO, Buxton has made up his mind he won't be signing here. I also want to brace everyone for the fact that in a trade, the Twins likely won't get what most of us think he is worth. The other side of this, is that as soon as Buxton turns this down, then Berrios is 100% gone as well. In fact, it's quite possible Berrios is already gone and Buxton sees the writing on the wall as well. Do what we do around here all the time. REBUILD
  20. Battle ur tail off
    I mean, I'm with you if you can get another team to take on that contract. My guess though, is that the Twins have to eat a large portion of it to move him. In fact, I would guess, that no team takes him even if they don't have to give up a player at all unless the Twins eat a pile of money.
  21. Battle ur tail off
    I wouldn't trade him. If you did, just as you guys are saying, I would want back what his talent is worth, not how much he has played. It's worth the risk for this sorry organization to try and resign him. And with that injury history they DO have a little bit of leverage. We won't be able to touch another player like Buxton for many many years. Put it this way. This team doesn't have any top pitching. And they won't until they can identify a guy in the draft that can throw hard, go 7 innings and dominate games. The way forward until they can get this pitching is to win with your position players. Your pitching staff will continue to be below average until you pay someone or develop someone.
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    I don't mind trading him at all. If the offer is good. That said if it isn't, keep him and dump next year at the deadline or just let him walk at the end of next season. Dumping guys that are successful just because you think you have to has gotten the Twins into trouble before. I need a top 100 prospect in baseball to even pickup the phone...
  23. Battle ur tail off
    Is it any surprise that we don't have a very good pitching staff this year? There are 4-5 legit guys on the whole staff, then you have a few washed up guys, a bunch of guys that never did much but a front office that thought they could turn castoffs into a competent bullpen. If we aren't going to develop pitching.(Here's a hint for everyone, we aren't going to), then the best of the best need to be brought in to have a top bullpen. The way it works, we let go guys that produced here, brought in bargain basement players and though it would work. This is far from the Twins biggest problem this year. But it is frustrating that the FO thought this group would make up a contending bullpen.
  24. Battle ur tail off
    Good move. Wade just didn't really have a spot here. To get a guy with some ML innings and a chance is a good return IMO. Sounds like he throws pretty hard with a good slider and has starting experience. This is a good depth guy I think. Nice move.
  25. Battle ur tail off
    Here's my deal though. Why pay 3 bad guys? Pay one good one and fill in the rest with your system. Twins have always done this. Why not go after studs, then fill the other holes with guys you are so high on in your system? I would rather have one corvette than 3 Ford Tauras. Just sayin...
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