Brock Beauchamp
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The Trade Deadline - Who Stays, Who Goes?
Brock Beauchamp replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
In a lost season, I see no reason to play Simmons and while Gordon may not be an MLB shortstop, moving Simmons opens up a lot of plate appearances for Nick so the Twins get a good look at him before they need to make a decision about protecting him on the 40-man this offseason. -
The Trade Deadline - Who Stays, Who Goes?
Brock Beauchamp replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
I think Simmons is close to 100%. He may not bring back much but he's still positive defensively (according to FG anyway) and teams always need glove-first middle infielders down the stretch. -
There are so many variables in play and I'm curious what some of you think this team will look like on the morning of July 31st. We can pretty easily predict that most (maybe all) of the expiring contracts will be gone but will the Twins move non-expiring contract players? Share your thoughts!
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I don't know what this is supposed to mean but Gleeman talks to the people working in the Twins organization more than every person on this forum combined. Whether you like him or not, his opinion should be given weight on matters such as this because he's often talking from a position of knowledge. He was one of the first people talking up Ryan Jeffers because people in the Twins organization were so excited about the guy and why he was a sneaky-good draft pick.
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You're against MLB changing the rules of a meaningless game to let the most exciting player of my lifetime both pitch and hit in front of a national audience? Okay, you lost me at that point, let's just move on and not continue this conversation.
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First, you're conflating MLB (the organization) with individual teams. MLB does some things that aggravate fans but teams are rarely "stupid" if you factor in the fact that money and self-interest drives 99% of their actions. Their behavior becomes quite predictable when viewed through that lens. And despite what you think of the Twins, they are 17th in MLB in starter IP. They're smack in the middle of MLB in how they treat starting pitchers. This is a shift across almost all of baseball, not only the Twins going off and doing something silly by themselves. If you look at WHY the Twins are controlling the innings of a pitcher like Ober, it makes a lot of sense. After the 2021 season, the Twins will control Ober for six (!) more seasons. Bailey Ober did not throw a game pitch in 2020. Before this season, his IP maxed out around 80 innings due to various injuries and difficulties. The Twins are treating him with kid gloves because they care more about what he does in 2022 and beyond than what he does in the lost season of 2021. And whether you agree or not, that idea makes a lot of sense and is based on some pretty sound logic.
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The team was competitive from 2001 to 2007. They moved Santana in 2007 but then also traded for Delmon Young. Then they were good from 2008 to 2010. And 2011 hit like a load of bricks and all their previously good players were injured. By the time 2016 rolled around, they had no one good to trade.
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The Twins haven’t had a legit fire sale since the 90s. 2011 came so fast and hit so hard they didn’t have any good pieces to move by the time 2012 rolled around (other than Mauer and I’m pretty sure he had a no-trade clause).
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I think the baddie introduced now may end up being the Big Bad a couple of phases down the line and we may see Doom before we really dive into the new guy.
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What a fantastic finale and introduction to one of Marvel’s greatest villains.
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Except that in the modern game, if you tell a pitcher to ease up they'll get shelled and be out of the game in five innings anyway. Welcome to the Launch Angle Era. MLB teams aren't stupid. We're talking about the people who literally run and operate billion dollar franchises. They know what they're doing for the most part. Pitching has become this specialized for a reason: it needed to become this specialized or it wouldn't succeed any longer. Taking a pitcher out after five innings is only partially about health, most of the reason in today's game is about effectiveness. If a mediocre/decent pitcher faces a modern lineup a third (or, gasp, fourth) time, they're going to get smashed and likely exit the game anyway. Except in that smashed scenario, your team also loses 7-4. Which is why so many of us advocate for rule changes to push baseball back toward a more exciting, action-packed direction. We can't just put the toothpaste back into the tube. Analytics exist, we have that knowledge, and things will not return to the way they were without someone actively pushing them back in that direction, probably by force of rules.
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How on earth is the Phillies’ bullpen that bad AGAIN?!?!?!?!
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This season has been a real tug of war in my mind. First, I agree that it's *so exciting* to see baseball in person again and every night for 162 games. That was badly missed last year and a big reason why I struggled in the early days of the pandemic. I discovered I set much of my internal clock to the ebbs and flows of baseball. But... the Twins suck this season. That's a bitter pill to swallow and has taken a lot of shine off the first point. But wait... Usually, I watch *a lot* of baseball beyond the Twins so the Twins being a crap baseball team doesn't affect my love of the sport that much. That isn't the case in 2021. I've watched less baseball this season than I have in a couple of decades, excluding the weirdness of last year. But baseball *itself* kinda sucks now. It was easy to gloss over the game's flaws in 2019 because the Twins mashing was so much fun to watch. 2020 was... 2020. But in 2021, as we return to normalcy, it's no longer possible to ignore how much the game has changed in the past five years, and those changes are rarely for the better. MLB needs an overhaul and needed it five minutes ago.
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Lewis definitely hasn't excelled but I think you're putting too much stock in 2019, which is just one season. Again, Lewis was pretty good in his first full season in 2018. And we should temper expectations about Lewis' raw batting stats given his promotion rate. Just 25 months after being drafted out of high school, he was facing AA pitching. The Twins were quite aggressive promoting him through the minors before Covid hit and we haven't seen Lewis since that point. We really have no idea how he would have or if he could have adjusted to high minors pitching at a young age.
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"Languished" is an overstatement. Lewis was quite good overall in 2018, scuffled in 2019 MiLB, had a very good AFL in 2019, didn't play in 2020, and is now injured from a freak falling accident during a Texas ice storm (seriously, can't make this stuff up). At this point, I don't think anyone has any idea what kind of baseball player Royce Lewis is or will be. No one has seen him play a baseball game since the Arizona Fall League in 2019 where he performed well in a small sample size.
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The uniforms are terrible but Soto’s silver glove is really cool. MLB has too many dumb rules.
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That’s fair and, frankly, probably the right decision.
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Pull literally any guy out of the lineup before the trade deadline and it's an invitation for skepticism and questioning by potential trade partners.
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What gives you this impression? The Twins have played Gordon less and less at shortstop as he progressed through the minors. Reports from the likes of Gleeman (and multiple third party scouting reports) suggest he's probably not a major league shortstop. Will he get starts at shortstop? Sure, absolutely, I think his role likely ends up as a utility guy. Will he be the starter at shortstop as Plan A going into a season? Yikes, I do not see that happening and have not seen evidence that's even on anyone's radar at this point.
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You have to choose: Do you want 6-7 weeks of Ober going 5-7 innings or 8-10 weeks of Ober going 4-5 innings? Because it has to be one or the other. The Twins are not going to run Ober up to 130+ IP in 2021. They're carefully managing his innings to keep him on the field longer. Perhaps you disagree but this isn't a situation where an oft-injured pitcher who didn't pitch in 2020 is going to be ramped up to an MLB workload in a single season, especially given the lack of contention. That would be wildly irresponsible to an arm we want to see contribute for several more years.
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The Simmons signing was almost definitely due to Polanco and Gordon had little to do with any of the Twins’ plans this season. No way were the Twins, coming off back to back .600 winning percentage seasons, heavily influenced by a declining prospect that missed an entire season due to an illness they weren’t sure he would completely recover from this year or ever. On top of all that, the Twins seem pretty solidly convinced Gordon isn’t a AA shortstop, much less a major league shortstop.
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I honestly don’t see what’s so hard to understand on each side of this argument. No one I’ve seen is advocating for the Twins to be bad, they’re advocating for young players to play, which MAY result in the Twins being bad in the short term. There’s a country mile of difference of putting an eye on the future and accepting the possibility of being bad versus “trying to be bad”.
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We shouldn't conflate our knowledge of whether Gordon can play short with the organization's knowledge of whether Gordon can play short. They've had firsthand experience with him since 2017.
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His value is absolutely maxed out right now. He's putting together a season to rival 2019 - his best season to date - and he has 1.5 seasons of reasonable cost before free agency. If Berríos is going to be traded at all, it should be in the next two weeks. His value one year from now will be considerably lower. On the other hand, I won't be heart-broken if they keep Jose and try to compete in 2022 if they feel that is possible.
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2021 MLB Draft Day 2 Thread
Brock Beauchamp replied to Andrew Thares's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
I wonder if this is a shift in organizational philosophy or simply luck of the draw.
