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    Twins Minor League Report (7/24): Gonsalves, Kirilloff, Rooker Continue Hot Stretches


    Steve  Lein

    If you woke up this morning hoping to read about how amazing a bunch of the Minnesota Twins’ top prospects fared in yesterday’s games, I’m happy to report you’re definitely not going to be disappointed! There were huge games from three first-round draft pick hitters, and the best pitching performance amongst a long stretch of great ones for a top pitching prospect.

    Image courtesy of Seth Stohs, Twins Daily (photo of Stephen Gonsalves)

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    To find out just how great each of those prospects were on Tuesday, keep reading and be sure to discuss in the comments!

    TRANSACTIONS

    There were some moves in the system before the games:

    • Chattanooga (AA): Pitcher Casey Crosby was activated from the disabled list and sent to the Gulf Coast League on a rehab assignment. He made the “start” for the GCL squad in that game.
    • Fort Myers (A+): Lewin Diaz was placed on the disabled list with a right thumb fracture. To take his place Ben Rodriguez was promoted from Cedar Rapids.
    • Cedar Rapids (A): To take Rodriguez’s place, 2018 2nd-round draft pick Ryan Jeffers was promoted from Elizabethton.
    • GCL Twins (RK): In addition to Crosby, outfielder Christian Cavaness was also sent on a rehab assignment to the GCL.

    RED WINGS REPORT

    Rochester 2, Indianapolis 0

    Box Score

    Top prospect Stephen Gonsalves took the mound for the Red Wings looking to improve even further on his six-start stretch where he had lowered his ERA from 5.89 all the way down to 3.34. He delivered his best of that bunch on Tuesday, tossing seven scoreless innings. He allowed just five hits, struck out four, and most importantly in that time frame, issued zero walks. He gave up a leadoff triple in the fifth, but his defense caught that runner at home on the next batter. Gonsalves then finished by retiring the final eight hitters he faced. Of his 98 pitches, 68 went for strikes (69%) and he improved to 7-3 on the year in Triple-A.

    D.J. Baxendale earned his fifth hold with a scoreless eighth inning when he worked around two hits. In his first appearance since being optioned (again), Alan Busenitz picked up his fifth save with a one-two-three ninth, striking out the final two hitters to punctuate the win.

    On offense the Red Wings got multi-hit efforts from leadoff man Gregorio Petit (2-for-4, R, 2B, K) and LaMonte Wade (2-for-4, R, 2 K). Willians Astudillo and Jeremy Hazelbaker added doubles to the effort. Miguel Sano finished 1-for-2 with an RBI, a strikeout and two walks.

    CHATTANOOGA CHATTER

    Pensacola 10, Chattanooga 8 (10 innings)

    Box Score

    While the Triple A game was all about a top prospect pitcher, this one focused on a top prospect hitter who has been heating up as the season has gone on. Of course, I’m talking about Brent-He’s So Hot Right Now-Rooker.

    In the first inning, Rooker got the Lookouts on the board with a two-run home run, his nineteenth of the season and his teammates added two more runs for the early 4-0 lead. He would follow a Zander Wiel single to lead off the second with one of his own, but both ended up stranded.

    That’s when the Blue Wahoos pounced on starting pitcher Omar Bencomo. They tallied eight runs across the third and fourth innings to take the lead. Bencomo finished five frames, but his ten hits allowed came in quick succession to give up those runs (seven earned). He walked none and struck out five.

    Chattanooga was able to tie the game in seventh inning, and again it was due in part to Rooker. After two runs had already crossed he came up with the bases loaded and delivered a two-run double, his 27th of the season which tied him with fellow top prospect (and trade rumor target) Corey Ray for the Southern League lead (Ray also leads him by one in homers, Rooker now leads league in RBI though!). Rooker added another single in the ninth, but again would be stranded. Rooker finished his game 4-for-5 with a walk to go along with his extra-base hits and four RBI. His average is now up to .272 on the season and .366/.490/.805 over his last ten games, which includes FIVE home runs, FIFTEEN runs batted in, and a 10:12 base-on-balls to strikeouts ratio. I’d probably promote him soon.

    Unfortunately for the Lookouts, that effort wasn’t enough when this one got to extra innings. After Bencomo’s exit, Cody Stashak went the next two scoreless innings. He allowed one hit and struck out three. Tyler Jay worked out of a jam of his own making in the eighth, then got two outs in the ninth before handing it over to Williams Ramirez. Jay allowed one hit, walked one, and struck out one in 1 2/3 innings. Ramirez got the final out in the ninth and two K’s to start the tenth inning, but a home run to the next batter proved to be the end. The Lookouts got the tying run on base with no outs in their half, but couldn’t push any one across (Rooker didn’t get a chance, unfortunately).

    Chattanooga got a hit from every batter in the starting lineup, and had four other hitters with two or more hits on the day. They included Zander Wiel (2-for-4, R, 2 BB, K), Chris Paul (2-for-6, R, 2B, 2 K), Jaylin Davis (3-for-6, R, 2 2B, RBI, K), and Ryan Walker (2-for-5, RBI, BB, 2 K). Jordan Gore also delivered two RBI.

    MIRACLE MATTERS

    Fort Myers 4, Jupiter 1

    Box Score

    For his second consecutive outing, lefty Charlie Barnes delivered an impressive performance. He left the game with two outs and runners on second and third in the seventh, but neither runner would score so he allowed just one run in his 6 2/3 innings. That came on six hits and one walk allowed, while striking out two. His ERA on the season now rests at a solid 2.82 for the Miracle.

    He also evened his record at 5-5 as his offense backed him up with a couple of blasts to put crooked numbers on the board. In the second inning, it was a two-run shot from Travis Blankenhorn, his ninth of the season. In the eighth, it was Alex-He’s Been Hot All Year-Kirilloff with a two-run bomb to the opposite field, his third with Fort Myers and his sixteenth overall on the year. He also finished this game 3-for-3 with two runs scored and drew a walk and is now hitting .370 in the Florida State League.

    https://twitter.com/kirilloff19/status/1022109421546156033

    Hector Lujan was the first man called in from the bullpen, and finished the seventh and eighth innings before running into some trouble in the ninth. With two runners on and the game-tying run at the plate, Ryan Mason came on to shut it down with one out. He got the next two hitters, including a strikeout, to do so. Lujan finished with no runs allowed on one hit, two walks, and four strikeouts in 1 2/3 innings. Mason picked up his fifth save on the year.

    KERNELS NUGGETS

    Scheduled Day Off

    The Kernels had the day off on Tuesday as they finished a 5-1 road trip and head home for a five-game homestand versus the Clinton LumberKings and Quad Cities River Bandits. The series with the Bandits is of the two-game home-and-home variety, which they will repeat in August.

    The Kernels currently lead the Midwest League Western Division with a 22-9 record in the second half.

    E-TWINS E-TALK

    Elizabethton 10, Burlington 3

    Box Score

    A late scoring burst from the Twins turned this one into another blowout, as they racked up ten runs on fifteen hits as a team. With the score tied at three going into the seventh, they put two runs on the board to take the lead and added on five more in the eighth.

    First-round draft pick Trevor Larnach led the lineup with a 4-for-5 night at the plate. It included his first professional extra-base hit, a double. He tallied three runs scored, four RBI, and stole his first base. He has at least one hit in every game he’s played so far and his average is a SSS .450.

    Elizabethton also got multiple hits from Yeltsin Encarnacion (2-for-5, 3 R, 2B, BB, K), Chris Williams (3-for-4, R, 2 2B, 3 RBI, BB, K), Alex Robles (2-for-5, RBI, K), and Lean Marrero (2-for-5, 2 R).

    Austin Schulfer got the start and went the game’s first three innings. He allowed two runs on four hits and a walk while striking out three. Brian Rapp then came on and went the next 2 2/3 innings. He allowed one run on two hits and a walk, along with racking up four strikeouts. Kody Funderburk then finished it with 3 1/3 scoreless. He walked in an inherited runner that charged him with a blown save, but also picked up his first professional win as he surrendered two hits, walked one and struck out four.

    GCL TWINS TAKES

    GCL Rays 8, GCL Twins 3

    Box Score

    After being activated from the disabled list in AA, Casey Crosby made a rehab appearance to start this game. He got two outs with the help of a pickoff move to first base but walked two batters before his day was done. Frandy Torres then came on and gaveup a grand slam before recording the third out and the Twins were never able to recover. Torres added a scoreless second inning and finished with three earned runs on three hits and a walk while striking out two.

    Tyler Benninghoff toed the rubber next and delivered three scoreless frames. He struck out four and allowed two hits and a walk. Edit (box score updated on 7/25): Tyler Benninghoff finished three scoreless innings, but then ran into trouble to start the sixth inning. He would get one out due to a caught stealing, but an RBI single and RBI double ended his day. In total he pitched 3 1/3 innings, allowing four runs on five hits and three walks, while striking out four. The Rays extended their lead against Petru Balan in the sixth inning, and in total he allowed four runs on five hits and three walks in two innings. He struck out one. Petru Balan then came on with Benninghoff responsible for two runners who would both score before getting out of the inning. He would add a scoreless seventh and in total allowed two hits, one walk, and struck out one in 1 2/3. Steven Cruz finished the game with two scoreless innings. He walked three and struck out four.

    On offense the Twins managed just five hits and drew zero walks but were able to scratch three runs across thanks to going 2-for-3 with runners in scoring position and 2018 28th round draft pick Austin Hale’s first professional home run. Kidany Salva added a double and Victor Tademo and pinch hitter Samuel Vasquez collected the other RBIs. Vasquez pinch hit for Christian Cavaness, who was making his first in-game appearance in almost a year.

    STARS OF THE DAY

    Twins Daily Pitcher of the Day – Stephen Gonsalves, Rochester Red Wings (W, 7 IP, 0 R, 5 H, 0 BB, 4 K)

    Twins Daily Hitter(s) of the Day – Brent Rooker, Chattanooga Lookouts (4-for-5, R, 2B (27), HR (19), 4 RBI, BB)

    TOP PROSPECT SUMMARY

    #1 - Royce Lewis (Ft. Myers) – 0-for-3, BB, 3 K

    #2 - Alex Kirilloff (Ft. Myers) – 3-for-3, HR (3), 2 RBI, BB

    #3 - Brusdar Graterol (Ft. Myers) – Did not pitch.

    #4 - Nick Gordon (Rochester) – 0-for-4, K, SB (5)

    #5 - Stephen Gonsalves (Rochester) – W (7-3), 7 IP, 0 R, 5 H, 0 BB, 4 K (3.04 ERA in Triple-A)

    #6 - Trevor Larnach (Elizabethton) – 4-for-5, 3 R, 2B (1), 4 RBI, SB (1), K

    #7 - Brent Rooker (Chattanooga) – 4-for-5, R, 2B (27), HR (19), 4 RBI, BB

    #8 - Akil Baddoo (Cedar Rapids) – CR did not play.

    #9 -Wander Javier – Out of for the season.

    #10 - Zack Littell (Rochester) – Did not pitch.

    #11 - Blayne Enlow (Cedar Rapids) – CR did not play.

    #12 - LaMonte Wade (Rochester) – 2-for-4, R, 2 K, 2 SB (5)

    #13 - Travis Blankenhorn (Ft. Myers) – 1-for-3, R, HR, 2 RBI, BB, K

    #14 - Lewis Thorpe (Chattanooga) – Did not pitch.

    #15 - Ben Rortvedt (Ft. Myers) – Did not play.

    #16 - Yunior Severino (Elizabethton) – 0-for-5, K

    #17 - Lewin Diaz (Ft. Myers) – On disabled list with fractured thumb.

    #18 - Ryan Jeffers (Cedar Rapids) – CR did not play.

    #19 - Jacob Pearson (Cedar Rapids) – CR did not play.

    #20 - Luis Arraez (Chattanooga) – 1-for-5, BB

    WEDNESDAY’S PROBABLE STARTERS

    Rochester @ Indianapolis (6:05PM CST) – RHP Kohl Stewart (0-2, 4.70 ERA)

    Pensacola @ Chattanooga (10:15AM CST) – TBD

    Fort Myers @ Jupiter (5:30PM CST) – RHP Tyler Wells (7-4, 2.97 ERA)

    Clinton @ Cedar Rapids (6:35PM CST) – RHP Edwar Colina (3-3, 3.11 ERA)

    Elizabethton @ Burlington (10:00AM CST) – TBD

    GCL Twins @ GCL Rays (11:00AM CST) - TBD

    Please feel free to ask questions and discuss Tuesday’s games!


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    The 22-year-old went 2-for-5 on Friday night, his fourth straight multi-hit game. Heading into the week, he was hitting .246/.328/.404 (.732). Four games later, he is hitting .303/.361/.447 (.808).

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    Geez, you write that in a way that would make one think he's a geriatric at the AA level.  He's still a year younger than an average player in that league.  I'm not in the 2018 September call-up camp, but he's certainly a player that to be excited about.  He's been on a two year roll of success including an SEC Triple Crown and crushing the very pitcher friendly FSL. Until he doesn't answer a challenge, why can't we get excited?

     

    Of course, average age is kind of meaningless for prospects, since the minors are filled with players that are older, and not moving up. But your general point that Rooker has a year in professional baseball, and he's hitting well in AA is valid.....

     

    Not to be a party pooper but Rooker does have 119 Ks in 375 ABs. Almost 1 every 3 ABs. Thats not gonna translate well in MLB. I bet this is why he is still in AA at this point, to improve this ratio some.

     

    I know the 10 games I singled out is a small sample, but that's a pretty good ratio...

     

    If I look a little harder, in April/May his overall ratio was 10 walks to 60 K's.

     

    In June/July, that's at 24 walks to 59 K's.

     

    He's definitely been improving the ratio, even if you don't care that the K-rate itself isn't improved. That's also directly related to when he started mashing, so I pay more attention to the production at this point.

     

    Sadly Benninghoff didn't have the great outing that was stated.

     

    He actually gave up 5 hits and 4 runs in 3 innings.  :mellow:

     

    As I finally start checking everything this morning, I see that the box score and game log was updated and now shows this.

     

    Trust me, I didn't mix that up writing it! 

     

     

    Forgive me, but I'm going to respond to a few posts to try to give perspective. Rooker is by no means a bad prospect, but he is just about 24 playing in AA. If MLB throws him only fastballs, he might be of use, but that's not going to happen beyond the first bit of playing time. He has holes, he has no defensive value. He MIGHT be decent with the bat if he continues to improve. Interesting? Yes Get excited? No.

    I'm not sure this is fair. He'll turn 24 after the season. Yes, strike outs are a concern and I think most of us have noted that. But he's still a darn nice prospect. He was in BA's top 100 pre-season and Sickel's list as well. My guess is that next year he'll be a back end top 100 guy on most lists after this season. He's not Kris Bryant but that doesn't mean he's not a good prospect. 

     

    This is awesome. This day of minor league action sums up how our farm system has been this year. Wander Javier is the only somewhat big prospect that has missed a considerable amount of time. We've had too many years where at least one top prospect has had tommy john. 

     

    I could see us possibly having up to 7 or 8 top 100 prospects next year the way things are going. And that's not even including guys like Thorpe or Baddoo who could be making strides at becoming one soon.

     

    This is fun guys :)

    Other teams have prospects, too. There are 30 teams, an average of 3.3 prospects per in any given top 100 list. Perhaps you think there are 7 or 8 Twins in the top 100 because it's difficult to name more than two on avg from each of the other teams? Lewis and Kirilloff are the only two guaranteed to be top 100 (top 40 probably) and Graterol is likely in if he ends the year healthy.

     

    Nick Gordon is vastly overrated and slowly disappearing from the lists. Javier was a trendy pick who won't be on, Gonsalves is very iffy. Thorpe is a better prospect than any of these guys. Rooker is unlikely to be on a consensus list. Larnach is interesting, but he's the 20th pick in the draft. That rarely gets you into a top 100. It basically means there are approx 20 other draftees put in there if he makes it. Keep in mind Larnach was drafted 20 in part because he was signing for less. He wasn't really even acknowledged as being around the 20th best.  Right now he's hitting in a league that's a level below major college.

     

    The Twins system is developing nicely. Let's just be happy about that. We are in some ways catching up to other teams

    Rooker's K and BB % by month:

     

    April - 29.7% / 2.2%

    May - 28.7% / 7%

    June - 28% / 11.2%

    July - 28.4% / 11.7%

     

    Yes, he needs to get that K% down at this level to be expected to advance and have success, but he is definitely doing his part to increase the BB% and make the expected higher K-rate of a power hitter less of an issue.

     

    Other teams have prospects, too. There are 30 teams, an average of 3.3 prospects per in any given top 100 list. Perhaps you think there are 7 or 8 Twins in the top 100 because it's difficult to name more than two on avg from each of the other teams? Lewis and Kirilloff are the only two guaranteed to be top 100 (top 40 probably) and Graterol is likely in if he ends the year healthy.

     

    Nick Gordon is vastly overrated and slowly disappearing from the lists. Javier was a trendy pick who won't be on, Gonsalves is very iffy. Thorpe is a better prospect than any of these guys. Rooker is unlikely to be on a consensus list. Larnach is interesting, but he's the 20th pick in the draft. That rarely gets you into a top 100. It basically means there are approx 20 other draftees put in there if he makes it. Keep in mind Larnach was drafted 20 in part because he was signing for less. He wasn't really even acknowledged as being around the 20th best.  Right now he's hitting in a league that's a level below major college.

     

    The Twins system is developing nicely. Let's just be happy about that. We are in some ways catching up to other teams

     

    After the draft this year, Fangraphs updated their prospect list. Gordon moved up from 77 to 62.....

     

    Fangraphs also really liked Lanarch a lot, and had him higher than 20th on their draft list....

    Edited by Mike Sixel

     

    As I finally start checking everything this morning, I see that the box score and game log was updated and now shows this.

     

    Trust me, I didn't mix that up writing it! 

     

    I went back and looked at the game log, as you probably did as well.  As you mention in the update, he was cruising nicely.  The wheels fell off though--a walk, a balk, a single, (in no particular order.)  Then a couple of his baserunners aren't stranded.  Digging deeper, you'd think this is a guy with great stuff who needs to build stamina, and mental fortitude.  Exactly what you'd expect in the GCL.

     

    Too early to tell but Feliz got 260k in 2016 to sign. Heredia signed the same year but his bonus isn't listed. I couldn't find anything on the other two guys but most of these guys are Venezuelan. Twins have had good in-roads to Venezuela for years now and that country is going through a lot of rough things so I think - and this is just a guess - that the Twins are probably nabbing a bunch of bodies from Venezuela, hoping that a few end up sticking.

     

    Thanks. Even last year as a 17 year old, Heredia seemed to hold his own. I did notice almost everyone was Venezuelan.

     

    I'm trying to find some comps - current top prospects or MLBers who played in the DSL and it's not easy. Most seem to skip the DSL which makes sense because at 18 or 19 they've already established themselves as top prospects stateside.

     

    From the Twins, Jorge Polanco played there as a 17 y/o for a little bit, without much success.

    Among current top prospects, Willy Adames posted a 245/419/370 slash as a 17 y/o.

    Leody Taveras (Texas) raked as a 17 y/o in 11 games.

    Ditto for Jesus Sanchez (TB).

    Estevan Florial, same.

     

    The trend seems to be that top 100 guys are really putting up great numbers here as 17 year olds and then moving on and continuing to put great numbers in the low minors - or just skipping the league altogether.

     

     

    Still a 28.2% K rate in that time, though.

     

    Agreed. But a move to AAA now gives him a chance to work on seeing and adjusting to more breaking balls sooner. If he can make the necessary adjustments and get that K% ~25% or less, he could be an impact- and sorely needed- RH power bat by mid-season 2019.

    Nice start for Gonsalves. I am though not sold on him. Unless he can consistently cut the number of walks down I don’t have a lot of hope for him as a starter. Of course I hope I am proven wrong but I just am not as excited about Gonsalves like I wa 2 yrs ago.

    I know the 10 games I singled out is a small sample, but that's a pretty good ratio...

     

    If I look a little harder, in April/May his overall ratio was 10 walks to 60 K's.

     

    In June/July, that's at 24 walks to 59 K's.

     

    He's definitely been improving the ratio, even if you don't care that the K-rate itself isn't improved. That's also directly related to when he started mashing, so I pay more attention to the production at this point.

      

    Rooker's K and BB % by month:

     

    April - 29.7% / 2.2%

    May - 28.7% / 7%

    June - 28% / 11.2%

    July - 28.4% / 11.7%

     

    Yes, he needs to get that K% down at this level to be expected to advance and have success, but he is definitely doing his part to increase the BB% and make the expected higher K-rate of a power hitter less of an issue.

    More extreme, but I remember hearing "ratio" defenses of Adam Brett Walker too. I don't think BB% is particularly meaningful at that level when you are whiffing that much. I suspect he is getting pitched around like he wouldn't in MLB (and the walk rate increasing as his bat heats up seems to align with that).

     

    I am not dismissing Rooker, but I think he needs K% improvement at these levels to become an impact player in MLB. I suspect that's why he hasn't gotten a promotion yet.

    Agreed. But a move to AAA now gives him a chance to work on seeing and adjusting to more breaking balls sooner. If he can make the necessary adjustments and get that K% ~25% or less, he could be an impact- and sorely needed- RH power bat by mid-season 2019.

    Why promote him at 28%, when you need him to get it down to 25%?

    There's nothing wrong with Rooker spending the full year in AA. His late pro start was always going to make him a bit old by prospect standards, but every year a pretty decent number of late bloomers arrive on the MLB scene. 

     

    Realistically, he probably needs a full year at AAA in 2019, with a cup of coffee at the end if the opportunity arises. By all accounts, he's a hard worker . . . the potential is there but it's not a traditional prospect profile.

    Because I was interested and bored, I decided to keep digging on the 2016 IFA class:

     

    Top bonus went to Wander Valdez  (3B / DomRep / 495k) - he's not doing much currently in the DSL.

     

    Junior Navas is a Venezuelan pitcher who got 275k. Looks like hes in the GCL right now, only 2 appearances but no runs and 2k's. Didn't allow an earned run last year in the DSL as a 17 y/o.

     

    Previously noted Jesus Feliz got $260k as gunnarthor mentioned. Showing well in DSL.

     

    Prelander Berroa is a Dominican pitcher who got $200k, currently in the GCL. Starting and showing alright for someone who turned 18 recently.

     

    Dominican CF Felix Reyes got $200k. He has 7 AB's in the DSL this year, so maybe he's in EST? Don't know.

     

    Victor Heredia apparently generated some buzz at a showcase before the signing period in both BP and the game. The Twins gave him $180k. He's listed at 6'2 230 and is raking in the DSL. Scouting reports don't indicate a high probability to stick at catcher so he needs to hit.

     

    Domincan OF Francisco Martinez got $175k. He's 6'5 220 and showing nice power in the DSL, but striking out more than 1/3 of the time. Can't imagine stats like that transition well.

     

    Estamy Urena got $130k, currently in the GCL. Showing decent discipline at the plate and not much else in a smallish sample. Scouting reports indicate he showed good instincts at SS, but he's playing 2b/3b and making a fair number of errors currently.

     

    Yeremi Garcia, pitcher from Venezuela, got $100k. Mediocre numbers in 11 DSL IPs this year.

     

    https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/international-reviews-minnesota-twins-1/

     

     

    Was '16 the year we paid the big bucks to Marte, jeffn48?  I am beginning to see that signing a bunch of guys around $200k-$400k may be better than going all in on one guy for $3mm-$4mm.  Especially now that there are limits on spending.

     

    Romero and Graterol seem to confirm this.

     

    Because I was interested and bored, I decided to keep digging on the 2016 IFA class:

     

    Top bonus went to Wander Valdez  (3B / DomRep / 495k) - he's not doing much currently in the DSL.

     

    Junior Navas is a Venezuelan pitcher who got 275k. Looks like hes in the GCL right now, only 2 appearances but no runs and 2k's. Didn't allow an earned run last year in the DSL as a 17 y/o.

     

    Previously noted Jesus Feliz got $260k as gunnarthor mentioned. Showing well in DSL.

     

    Prelander Berroa is a Dominican pitcher who got $200k, currently in the GCL. Starting and showing alright for someone who turned 18 recently.

     

    Dominican CF Felix Reyes got $200k. He has 7 AB's in the DSL this year, so maybe he's in EST? Don't know.

     

    Victor Heredia apparently generated some buzz at a showcase before the signing period in both BP and the game. The Twins gave him $180k. He's listed at 6'2 230 and is raking in the DSL. Scouting reports don't indicate a high probability to stick at catcher so he needs to hit.

     

    Domincan OF Francisco Martinez got $175k. He's 6'5 220 and showing nice power in the DSL, but striking out more than 1/3 of the time. Can't imagine stats like that transition well.

     

    Estamy Urena got $130k, currently in the GCL. Showing decent discipline at the plate and not much else in a smallish sample. Scouting reports indicate he showed good instincts at SS, but he's playing 2b/3b and making a fair number of errors currently.

     

    Yeremi Garcia, pitcher from Venezuela, got $100k. Mediocre numbers in 11 DSL IPs this year.

     

    https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/international-reviews-minnesota-twins-1/

    Thanks for sharing!

     

    And frankly, this is exactly why I keep coming back to this site - lots of people here are willing to take the time and effort to either do the research or share their knowledge when random, niche questions come up, or just share something they were curious about. 

    Because I was interested and bored, I decided to keep digging on the 2016 IFA class

     

    Victor Heredia apparently generated some buzz at a showcase before the signing period in both BP and the game. The Twins gave him $180k. He's listed at 6'2 230 and is raking in the DSL. Scouting reports don't indicate a high probability to stick at catcher so he needs to hit.

     

     

    https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/international-reviews-minnesota-twins-1/

    Thanks for this write up. Im pretty sure Heredia hasn't caught a game this season, playing only 1B and DH. He has been raking pretty well though.

    Kirilloff needs to be at AA. Sure, he's riding a hot streak, but he also has 18 hits in his last 29 ABs with low K rate. (He's also gotten 9 hits in his last 11). 

     

    That's not a fluke... he's not being challenged. It's a waste of time to have him in Ft. Myers at this point.

     

    Was '16 the year we paid the big bucks to Marte, jeffn48?  I am beginning to see that signing a bunch of guys around $200k-$400k may be better than going all in on one guy for $3mm-$4mm.  Especially now that there are limits on spending.

     

    Romero and Graterol seem to confirm this.

     

    I think you want to do both if can.  You can only sign so many of those guys anyway.

    Was '16 the year we paid the big bucks to Marte, jeffn48? I am beginning to see that signing a bunch of guys around $200k-$400k may be better than going all in on one guy for $3mm-$4mm. Especially now that there are limits on spending.

     

    Romero and Graterol seem to confirm this.

    I think that was 2017 based solely off of this article:

     

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.draysbay.com/platform/amp/2017/12/12/16769076/rays-jelfry-marte-twins

     

    But we voided the deal and then used it to acquire the guys from the teams who were trying to load up on Ohtani money I think.

     

      
    More extreme, but I remember hearing "ratio" defenses of Adam Brett Walker too. I don't think BB% is particularly meaningful at that level when you are whiffing that much. I suspect he is getting pitched around like he wouldn't in MLB (and the walk rate increasing as his bat heats up seems to align with that).

    I am not dismissing Rooker, but I think he needs K% improvement at these levels to become an impact player in MLB. I suspect that's why he hasn't gotten a promotion yet.

     

    Walker's highest BB rate ever was like 7.5% if I remember right, and that was while he also struck out over 35% of the time. He is the only player I can remember to strike out over 200 times in a MiLB season, so this isn't apples to apples for me.

     

    I do agree you want to see an improvement in Rooker's K-rate, but I'm not complaining the way he's hitting.

     

    Walker's highest BB rate ever was like 7.5% if I remember right, and that was while he also struck out over 35% of the time. He is the only player I can remember to strike out over 200 times in a MiLB season, so this isn't apples to apples for me.

     

    I do agree you want to see an improvement in Rooker's K-rate, but I'm not complaining the way he's hitting.

    Looking it up, I see Walker reached 9.1% BB rate in AA, and it improved every year up to that point. Like Rooker, it also improved during the course of his AA season (11.2% from July onwards that year, although the rest of his production cratered). I think that's when I heard the theory around here, that his increase in walks / decent walk rate offset some of the strikeouts. And maybe it did, but not enough to matter.

     

    I admitted Walker was more extreme, and I only brought him up as a general example off the top of my head. You can find others who would be more "apples to apples" for Rooker's AA rates pretty easily.

     

    Rooker is at 8.2% BB rate, 28.7% K rate, and a 133 wRC+ this season. Since June 1st, 11.1% BB and 28.2% K.

     

    Checking out other age 23 AA players for similar rates from 2015:

    Drew Robinson, 16% BB, 26.8% K, 127 wRC+

    Will Swanner, 10.8% BB%, 30.8% K, 132 wRC+

     

    Never heard of these guys.

     

    From 2016:

    Matt Chapman, 11.7% BB, 29.2% K, 141 wRC+

    J.D. Davis, 8.3% BB, 26.5% K, 134 wRC+

    Bradley Zimmer, 13.8% BB, 28.3% K, 136 wRC+

     

    All of these guys need gloves to have much MLB value (and Chapman's got the most value because he dropped his K rate to 23.2% and paired it with a brilliant glove, per metrics).

     

    Drop it to age 22, and we add Derek Fisher, Ryan O'Hearn, and Paul DeJong from 2016. Again, 2 guys that probably need their gloves to have good MLB value, and O'Hearn whose bat cratered at AAA but it probably only cost him a "quad-A" career.

     

    Jumping back to 2014, we get Michael A. Taylor, maybe Kyle Kubitza, Stetson Allie, and Rymer Liriano if you reach down to 24-25% K rates.

     

    I'm not trying to "complain", he's doing great for his team, but that doesn't mean a whole lot about his future for the Twins, which is the big criteria for promotion right now (and how this whole discussion got started).

     

    Looking it up, I see Walker reached 9.1% BB rate in AA, and it improved every year up to that point. Like Rooker, it also improved during the course of his AA season (11.2% from July onwards that year, although the rest of his production cratered). I think that's when I heard the theory around here, that his increase in walks / decent walk rate offset some of the strikeouts. And maybe it did, but not enough to matter.

     

    His rate at AA was not 9.1%, but I'm really responding because I do like how you pointed out Walker's BB improvement that year at AA as it went on. You also point out how he hit ~.200 with a ~.650 OPS from July to the end of the season where that BB improvement happened (also hit only 8 of his 31 HR's that season in that time-frame).

     

    Rooker is hitting about .315/.400/.625 since his BB improvement (with 13 of his 20 HR's, and 18 of his 28 doubles). It has done something very tangible to matter for him, basically because he is a much better hitter than Walker ever was. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

    His rate at AA was not 9.1%

    Walker had 51 walks in 560 PA at AA in 2015. That is 9.1%.

     

    Again, as I thought I made clear in the rest of my post, I am NOT comparing Walker and Rooker as players at all.

     

    Do you have any response to the other names I listed in my post? Do you have any good comps for Brent Rooker, in terms of age and K rate at AA?

     

    Walker had 51 walks in 560 PA at AA in 2015. That is 9.1%.

     

    Again, as I thought I made clear in the rest of my post, I am NOT comparing Walker and Rooker as players at all.

     

    Do you have any response to the other names I listed in my post? Do you have any good comps for Brent Rooker, in terms of age and K rate at AA?

     

    Oops. I see I took the PA number as his AB's. Good call.

     

    As for your comps, it is a valid tool to look at. In Rooker's case though, I might try to make the restraints a little different.

     

    I'd use college-drafted hitters in their second professional season, ignoring age. Despite the strikeouts, Rooker's overall line at AA is even with Andrew Benintendi when he made his MLB debut. Brendon McKay (for obvious pitching reasons, but was Rooker's equal/better as a hitter in college), is in High-A hitting .200. Corey Ray is striking out just as much and walking at similar rates the past two months in the same league (Rooker has basically caught up to him for league lead in HR's and 2B's after starting so slow). Kyle Lewis is struggling in Seattle system. Matt Thaiss was in AA to start season (his third) and was promoted to AAA after a line like Rooker has...

     

    Just some of what I'd look at.




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