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    Twins Trade Candidates: Targeting Extension and Effective Velocity


    Jamie Cameron

    It's likely that the Twins make a trade to address the front of their rotation prior to spring training. Let's try to say who would be the best fit, based on a pitching trait the Twins' most recent trade for a starting pitcher demonstrates that they value--elite extension. 

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    As we have discussed at length, the Twins have repeatedly traded to upgrade their starting pitching. They acquired Joe Ryan in a great value deal for a few months' worth of Nelson Cruz. Pablo López was the return for Luis Arráez, in one of the most balanced 'challenge' trades in recent memory. Chris Paddack was acquired right as the Twins were starting the 2022 season, in a trade that may pay enormous dividends for Minnesota. In Bailey Ober and Louie Varland, the Twins have drafted and developed a further contingent of starting pitching contributors. 

    It's also often noted that the Twins' development staff consistently add velocity to pitchers as they develop. Pierson Ohl is an excellent example of this. When drafted as a 14th-rounder out of Grand Canyon University, Ohl's fastball was around 88 mph. Fast-forward a few years, and it's sitting at 93-95 mph, while he's one of the better-performing pitchers in all of Double-A ball.

    Suppose we stitch the starters acquired by trade and the homegrown rotation members together. In that case, we can identify two facets of pitching development the Twins repeatedly tap into: outstanding extension and effective velocity.

    Extension quantifies how close the pitcher's release point is to home plate. Typically, taller pitchers have better extension, as longer levers allow them to cover more ground coming down the mound before releasing the ball. The advantage is straightforward: the longer the extension, the shorter the distance the ball travels to cross home plate, and thus, the less time a hitter has to react, making the pitch velocity appear greater.

    You won't be surprised to know there's a helpful metric that sums up this phenomenon. Effective Velocity estimates the speed the hitter faces by adjusting raw velocity for the difference between the pitcher's extension and the league average in that category. The greater the extension, the greater the differential between effective and release velocity, which we'll call added velocity. 

    Let's look at the Twins rotation members' extension and effective velocity to identify some organizational preferences, in addition to helping us find the starting pitching trade target that best suits them.

    Pitcher

    Fastball Velocity (mph)

    Extension (ft)

    EffectVel (mph)

    Joe Ryan

    92.3

    6.55

    92.7 (+0.4)

    Louie Varland

    95.1

    6.83

    96 (+0.9)

    Chris Paddack

    95.4

    6.92

    96.5 (+1.1)

    Pablo López

    94.9

    7.19

    96.5 (+1.6)

    Bailey Ober

    91.4

    7.3

    93.1 (+1.7)

    Joe Ryan is a helpful starting point for our discussion, as he has almost precisely average extension. Ryan doesn't benefit much from his extension. As detailed extensively elsewhere, his fastball has unique traits underpinned by a low release point and the 'rising' effect tied to spin efficiency. Ryan is a solid baseline for extension and effective velocity in the Twins' rotation. Below, you'll see a side-view representation of Ryan's release point and a good representation of his extension (and his low release).

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    The rest of the group can be categorized as good (Varland and Paddack) and great (López and Ober) when gaining an extra tick on their fastball through extension. Varland and Paddack, on average, gain one mile per hour on their fastball through their comfortably above-average extension. That brings Paddack to 96.5 mph, on a pitch that has been inconsistent throughout his career. In Pablo López and Bailey Ober, the Twins have two starters with exceptional extension (7.2 and 7.3 feet, on average). Respectively, this adds 1.6 mph and 1.7 mph to their fastballs, if we look at their Effective Velocity. Ober is likely the most significant beneficiary here, as the difference between 91.4 and 93.1 mph is substantial. But what are the tangible impacts of outstanding extension?

    For every full tick of increase in Added Velocity, modeling suggests a pitcher will gain approximately 0.3 runs per 100 pitches thrown. If we apply that to the number of fastballs each highlighted pitcher threw in 2023, we see the cumulative impact of a rotation with good-to-great extension. (We'll remove Chris Paddack from the following graphic, as his sample size was too small in 2023 to be meaningful.)

    Pitcher

    Fastballs Thrown

    Added Velo

    Runs Gained

    Joe Ryan

    1558

    +0.4

    +1.87

    Louie Varland

    1100

    +0.9

    +2.97

    Pablo López

    1043

    +1.6

    +5

    Bailey Ober

    1241

    +1.7

    +6.32

    Here, we clearly illustrate the impact of average-plus extension, versus elite extension. López and Ober gained 5 and 6.3 runs throughout a season, just from their fastball's Effective Velocity, through outstanding extension and releasing the ball closer to home plate. You can see why this is an organizational preference. The Twins have repeatedly shown the ability to add velocity through the development of young players. Elite extension is a way to add velocity without adding velocity, particularly for players you are targeting or acquiring via trade, as we see from the side-view of Ober's extension below, which is noticeably closer to home plate than Ryan's.
    OberExtension.png.672c557f20d385e41a5a6cd27ba8232d.png

    With all of this in mind, it is time to turn our attention to a Twins trade candidate, Logan Gilbert. Gilbert has the best extension in baseball (7.5 feet on average in 2023). He's in a different category from Ober's initial fastball velocity (95.7 mph on average). Gilbert gains a whopping 2.2 mph in added velocity per fastball thrown, leading to approximately eight runs gained on his fastball per season (using his 2023 numbers as a proxy for 2024).

    Pitcher

    Fastball Velocity (mph)

    Extension (ft)

    EffectVel (mph)

    Bailey Ober

    91.4

    7.3

    93.1 (+1.7)

    Logan Gilbert

    95.7

    7.53

    97.9 (+2.2)

    Here, we can see from the side just how far Gilbert gets towards home plate when he releases the baseball.
    GilbertExtension.png.b29ea9905c25bd442810d0666851af64.png

    Pitcher

    Fastballs Thrown

    Added Velocity

    Runs Gained

    Bailey Ober

    1241

    +1.7

    +6.32

    Logan Gilbert

    1224

    +2.2

    +8.07

    There are plenty of reasons the Twins won't trade for Gilbert. Given that he isn't a free agent until 2028, the price would be astronomical, and more than the Twins will want to pay. 

    Acquiring starting pitching is risky and challenging, which is a good reminder that Derek Falvey deserves credit for his success doing it during his tenure as Twins POBO. If the Twins are going to engage in a big trade this offseason, give me the guy who makes 95 mph look like 98.

    What would you give up to land Gilbert? Let's talk about pitching in the comments.

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    5 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

    Great analysis on Gilbert & extension value - too, “in the weeds” for me to consider his fit v. others though.

    I could see trading nearly any of the guys available for a top half of rotation starter - so anyone but the following:

    None of the existing top 4 starters…….Duran ……Buxton - CC - Lewis - Lee - Jenkins. So, outside of these 10 guys, all others are available to be traded to upgrade staff.

    I think, for the $$ spent and reduction of trade capital, we should push hard to get Devin Williams from the Brewers to make our Pen elite. He can help us with a positive impact in 45-55 games this year & next year. There are enough veteran & prospect guys left on list to pull this trade off.

    Twins goes with the existing Staff & use Festa & SWR & if needed, Headrick to help get to the deadline. If they still need help they can get a guy in trade from one of the 8-10 teams that will have given up by then. LEAST EXPENSIVE, best depth move is solidifying the Pen with a difference maker.

    I’d prefer to keep young trade assets and move Polanco for prospect & $$ to be able to sign Clevinger for $14-$15M on a short deal. This seems a way to reduce risk of losing a star in trade (for a few months) and get a reasonable depth arm for a year or two.

    Could sign Clevinger and continue to pursue a starter in trade. If both work out, possibly Varland to the Pen sooner than later?

    I don't see the Brewers trading Williams.  That would be similar to us trading Duran.  We wouldn't do that either.

    2 hours ago, Parker Hageman said:

    Height does not necessarily equal extension.

    Sean Hjelle is 6'11" and gets 6.59 feet down the mound, which is well below average for pitchers who are 6'6" and above. There are other similar pitchers blessed with altitude that do not get down the hill well. 

    Extension (and the improvement of) is a product of the rear leg. The Twins development has been really good at getting pitchers to use their bodies better and ride the slope down longer and that helps create extension and velocity. 

    What's interesting to me is that the Twins' pitchers in St. Paul are often below average in this area (18 of 30 teams). 

    I was hoping Parker might wade into this conversation! Would add this, to his point, Pablo added to his pretty significantly last season when compared to his time with the Marlins.

    1 hour ago, harmony55 said:

    Seattle is likely to make only minor changes to its current lineup;

    https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/mariners

    The chances of the Mariners unloading Logan Gilbert are nearly nil.

     

     

    As I said in the piece and the comments, this isn't really about the trade being realistic, that's why I didn't propose a package, it's more about exploring the Twins relationship with extension.

    3 hours ago, Jim wyllie said:

    I would offer Polanco, Festa, Rodriguez, acala, and Sabato

    You can include Aaron Sabato, or you can include his baseball card.  Each has approximately equal trade value to another club.

    20 hours ago, harmony55 said:

    Seattle is likely to make only minor changes to its current lineup;

    https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/mariners

    The chances of the Mariners unloading Logan Gilbert are nearly nil.

     

     

    I see you're new to the world of Jerry DiPoto.

    Logan Gilbert has not been good enough to demand top prospects now that he's getting Arb bumps. I bet if the Twins showed up With Polanco and 10 Million Bucks, they could get Gilbert. They'd probably have to include a little more to soothe Trader Jerry's urges, but nothing gets him going quite like getting players for free.  

    3 hours ago, August J Gloop said:

    I see you're new to the world of Jerry DiPoto.

    Logan Gilbert has not been good enough to demand top prospects now that he's getting Arb bumps. I bet if the Twins showed up With Polanco and 10 Million Bucks, they could get Gilbert. They'd probably have to include a little more to soothe Trader Jerry's urges, but nothing gets him going quite like getting players for free.  

    Welcome to the world of Jerry Dipoto with a lower case p. The post lives up to the namesake's sloppy reputation.

    Logan Gilbert agreed to a 2024 salary of $4.05 million as a Super Two. Because of roster needs the Mariners would be unlikely to trade one year of 33-year-old right hander Anthony DeSclafani at $12 million for one year of Jorge Polanco at a guarenteed $11.25 million (with an option for two years at $22.5 million).

    Warm regards,

    Seattle Mariner fan since 1995

     

    17 hours ago, harmony55 said:

    Welcome to the world of Jerry Dipoto with a lower case p. The post lives up to the namesake's sloppy reputation.

    Logan Gilbert agreed to a 2024 salary of $4.05 million as a Super Two. Because of roster needs the Mariners would be unlikely to trade one year of 33-year-old right hander Anthony DeSclafani at $12 million for one year of Jorge Polanco at a guarenteed $11.25 million (with an option for two years at $22.5 million).

    Warm regards,

    Seattle Mariner fan since 1995

     

    Huh, I hadn't noticed he didn't capitalize the p. But my point is that if the Twins paid both Polo and Gilbert's salary that would save the Ms an additional 4 Million. You know Jerry would do it. He's not scared of throwing some cast off into the 5 spot in the rotation to save some cash and hope to make another trade in a few days. 

    The Twins will not trade Lewis, a potential superstar and  the personality to be the face of their franchise.  Trading him would be baseball management malfeasance.  I’m not a fan of trading Lee either, as part of a package, though I think that is a possibility, to acquire a solid starting pitcher. Lee seems like a four tool player, and the power may come too. Whatever they do, I hope they don’t get snookered like they did with the Cincinnati trade to acquire Mahle, a disastrous trade by any standard. 

    1 minute ago, Otaknam said:

    The Twins will not trade Lewis, a potential superstar and  the personality to be the face of their franchise.  Trading him would be baseball management malfeasance.  I’m not a fan of trading Lee either, as part of a package, though I think that is a possibility, to acquire a solid starting pitcher. Lee seems like a four tool player, and the power may come too. Whatever they do, I hope they don’t get snookered like they did with the Cincinnati trade to acquire Mahle, a disastrous trade by any standard. 

    The Twins can and should consider trading both Lee and or Lewis in the right deal. Logan Gilbert is definitely not that deal. CES and Steer would have been better spent on someone other than Mahle, for sure, but that's just a general failing of Mahle not the idea. Although my guess is that they wanted to Trade CES and SS and Mahle was the best starter they could get for them. 

    And the Twins aren't really out much, since Steer and CES would likely just have played mostly in StPaul last year.  I suppose you could say that Steer would have been a instead of Donny Barrels. Wen Polo got hurt, CES would have come up to join the platoon mess. I doubt Steer would have put up the same numbers for the Twins, since Barrells got 200 fewer PAs than steer in 23. WAR is basically a counting stat for nerds, and you can't just go per PA,but it kinda works like that. if we figure Steers WAR/PA* 450 PA that Barrels got he works out to 1.4 WAR. so they sacrificed .2 WAR by sending Steer away. CED was worth .5 last year and his PT likely would have been similar, so let's say that they lost out on .7 WAR  and 4 Million in Solono Salary last year as a consequence of Mahle being a misfire. Not exactly franchise destroying. I guess it mostly hinges on if you think these two have a future in MLB. (I tend to think CES - yes, Steer, no)




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