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    The End Of The Road


    Nick Nelson

    When Torii Hunter made his major-league debut for the Twins in August of 1997, Flip Saunders had recently completed his first full season as head coach of the Timberwolves, in which he led the team to its first ever playoff berth.

    That period marked the start of two careers in sport that would transform each man into a local legend. They followed their own distinct paths, branching out in different directions, but ultimately converged back where it all started so many years ago.

    As it turns out, that is also where both roads would come to an end.

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    When Hunter was donning an MLB jersey for the first time and the Wolves were just getting started on a lengthy run of first-round playoff exits, I was an 11-year-old boy in his formative years as a sports fan.

    I became a Wolves fan while Flip was leading the team to (albeit fruitless) postseason berths year after year. I became a far more hardcore Twins fan while Hunter was entrenched as the one enduring constant on four division-winning clubs from 2002 through 2006.

    Needless to say, the last couple days have struck me with a lot of emotions. On Monday, Hunter announced that he has decided to end his career as a player, one day after Saunders' career as a coach and executive was tragically cut short.

    I have always been a huge Flip Saunders fan. He did big things for a Timberwolves franchise that lacked an identity until he (and a kid named Kevin Garnett) gave them one. And now, after returning, he has created the foundation for what could very well be an even better run.

    But what I truly admired was the fact that Flip was, at his core, a total rube.

    I'll never forget listening to sports talk radio while riding in the passenger seat of my dad's car and hearing some riled up host ranting on the Wolves, only to be refuted by an animated Saunders who had (of course) been listening, and called in to defend himself. It was amazing, and it was not an infrequent occurrence.

    That part of Flip never really went away. Up until the last few months, he was still doing weekly spots with Dan Barreiro; the "Friday Funkadelic" was my favorite thing on the radio, by far. Here you had the general manager AND head coach of the local pro basketball team, yukking it up on drivetime radio, sometimes deflecting Barreiro's probes for inside tidbits with a chuckle, and sometimes slyly dropping illuminating insights.

    Flip's death on Sunday was a profoundly sad event, and one that hit me hard personally as I look ahead to my 30th birthday on Thursday. He was only 60, and that sure doesn't seem as old to me as it once did now that I'm checking in at the halfway point.

    Hunter's retirement on Monday, conversely, brought out a vastly different set of feelings. It isn't a cause for somber reflection, but rather a cause for celebration. His career was exceptional, and he ended it on his terms. He probably did the Twins a favor, robbing them of the temptation to try and squeeze one more year out of a popular yet declining veteran, at a point where he really isn't a logical fit.

    Hunter's return this year, and this week's retirement announcement, stir up a strong cocktail of mixed emotions. On the one hand, I have always loved him as a player. He was an incredibly consistent force in center field as Minnesota ushered in a new era of competitive baseball. Every year, Hunter hit around 25 home runs and posted an OPS around .800. Every year he added another Gold Glove to his shelf, establishing himself as an all-time Web Gem king.

    And while I wasn't exactly enamored with his return this season from a purely baseball standpoint, there's just no denying that his decision to finish his career here is pretty damn cool. I mean, think about it. Through 18 big-league seasons and eight postseason appearances, Hunter has NEVER been to the World Series. He passed up a chance to play for the Royals, who went to the big dance last year and are back there now, opting instead for a blatantly rebuilding team coming off four straight 90-loss seasons, almost solely out of loyalty and deep-rooted affinity.

    But this is where the internal conflict arises. Because on the other hand, Hunter has said some things off the field that have really rubbed me the wrong way. And while I'm very much accustomed to setting aside the personal dispositions and quirks of professional athletes in order to enjoy them as performers, some of his outspoken remarks regarding gay marriage and homosexuality in general have been off-putting to me on a rather visceral level.

    But as the passing of Saunders on Sunday reminds, life is short. Too short for grudges, and for harping on negative traits. I may disagree with Hunter vehemently on a matter that I find important, but I don't presume his viewpoints stem from hatred – more likely a rigidly engrained belief system.

    Last Friday, when he interviewed Terry Ryan for the Offseason Handbook, our Parker Hageman asked the general manager about Hunter's impact, and the response was unsurprisingly filled with praise.

    As a follow-up, Parker asked whether Ryan would seek to replace Hunter's veteran presence in the event that the outfielder chose to retire.

    The GM fumbled for words a bit. "Well, we'll see what happens, I don't know," he said tersely. "Let's see what happens before we worry about replacing him."

    Ryan could not have been surprised by Monday's announcement – by all accounts, Hunter's leaning was no secret – but still it was a difficult reality to come to grips with, and not just for the GM, as this tweet from La Velle E. Neal alludes:

    https://twitter.com/LaVelleNeal/status/658827874393305088

    The positive sentiment toward Hunter stretches well beyond the Twins' front office, extending to his teammates, his opponents, his coaches and the media members that cover him. He smiles infectiously, embraces a leadership role, and played the game awfully hard for nearly two decades.

    Hunter styled himself after Kirby Puckett, and he didn't come all that short of matching Puck's transcendent presence on the baseball field.

    But like Puckett, Hunter is not without flaws. My disagreeing with his views isn't going to change them. I hope that he becomes more enlightened over time in that regard but either way I'm not going to dwell on his opinion.

    Instead, I'll appreciate the spectacular things he did on the field, and the allegiance he ultimately showed to the Twins organization, while looking forward to seeing his next move in the game.

    Where one road ends, another begins.

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    Kirby Puckett was my favorite player of all time. After the news came out of his transgressions, I stopped thinking of him as more than my favorite player of all time. I can acknowledge that he wasn't a great person. That doesn't change what he is as a teammate, friend, all those things. Puckett remains my favorite player of all time.

     

    Torii Hunter has had a tremendous baseball career. He has put up great numbers. It's OK to say that he's one's favorite player while not agreeing with his personal beliefs. It's also OK to acknowledge that he was a great leader and teammate.

     

    Exactly and most people are able to separate athletes' performance on the field and their personal lives. There's a reason when he's announced at all these anniversary celebrations, he typically receives the loudest cheers.

     

    Similarly when they start to bring back Hunter in the future for different appearances, he'll be the one receiving the biggest standing ovation.

    Arcia also has produced for his other two seasons in the majors as well, it isn't a stretch at all to say it's reasonable to think he can at least duplicate Hunter's numbers this year.

     

    I guess the biggest question is whether or not the Twins will have enough patience with him to find out.

    the interesting discussion is about how you can/cannot root for people you disagree with.....the other stuff, not so much on this thread, imo.

     

    Where does one draw the line? For some, Torii crossed the line, for others he did not. For some, Adrian Peterson or Greg Hardy crossed the line, for others, they did not. For some, there is no line an athlete can apparently cross and they'd still root form them. I don't get those last people at all.

     

    As for the bible, it used to be against the law to divorce, because the bible....should we go back to that?

    the interesting discussion is about how you can/cannot root for people you disagree with.....the other stuff, not so much on this thread, imo.Where does one draw the line? For some, Torii crossed the line, for others he did not. For some, Adrian Peterson or Greg Hardy crossed the line, for others, they did not. For some, there is no line an athlete can apparently cross and they'd still root form them. I don't get those last people at all.As for the bible, it used to be against the law to divorce, because the bible....should we go back to that?

    You're starting an extremely slippery slope if you're going to stop cheering for any athletes that have ever said anything you don't agree with. You may be best off just refraining from watching sports if that's the case.

    Torii received all of these standing ovations because he was a good baseball player. Nothing more than that. I doubt he has any cult following purely from his opinions off the field.

     

    It will be interesting to see how Torii will be viewed in a public light now that his playing days are behind him. The circumstances are different, but we've seen Curt Schilling go from a WS hero to a zero now that his opinions are the main focus...

     

    the interesting discussion is about how you can/cannot root for people you disagree with.....the other stuff, not so much on this thread, imo.

    Where does one draw the line? For some, Torii crossed the line, for others he did not. For some, Adrian Peterson or Greg Hardy crossed the line, for others, they did not. For some, there is no line an athlete can apparently cross and they'd still root form them. I don't get those last people at all.

    As for the bible, it used to be against the law to divorce, because the bible....should we go back to that?

    Yeah, I can't in good conscience ever root for Peterson directly again (I tossed his jersey and autographed ball he signed for me in college in the trash)

     

    I do however still root for the Vikings overall to win, so nothing makes me happier then to see Zach Line getting those touchdowns when the ball is at the one yard line instead of AP.

     

     

    Hunter, I don't agree with him, but whatever, I still had no real qualms rooting for him on the field, I do get a little "miffed" about all the off the field leadership stuff. (calling Latin American players "Fake Blacks" can't have endeared him to many of his latin teammates, and fwiw I play in wood bat league that is at least 50% Dominican players, not many Hunter fans out there among them to be honest. And Hunters overall comments on that topic are some of the most ignorant I have heard)

     

     

     

    I was one of the people against signing Hunter this year.  In the end my feeling is that the signing could not have worked out much better than it did.  It was really a great way for Hunter to go out. He should and will be remembered for the great baseball player that he was.  If you want to pick your time I think Hunter is doing his right.

     

    On the other hand I think he can still play and should play for a couple more years.  Not with the Twins but on another team in a diminished role.  He really didn't look completely done to me. I guess 19 years is maybe hanging on long enough.

     

    For me I love all the things about Hunter even the controversial statements as they make him unique.  You don;t have to agree with anything that he said outside the game. he was just willing to say what he thought and I can respect that.

     

    In the End I will miss Mr. Hunter and I am happy he will retire as a Twin.

     

    I'm going to miss Torii Hunter.  And I think the Twins will, too.  Yes, the years have been catching up on him, but think about this: 

     

    Who else on the current roster will...

    Provide 22 HR's?  Tied for 2nd on the team

    Provide clutch hitting?

    Provide vocal leadership?

    Provide a real face of the franchise?

     

    I'm of the belief the Twins can use a guy like Torii Hunter next year.  Who will be that guy?

    Torii's production showed signs of teetering on the edge of the cliff last year.  While he put together a couple of hot streaks, I think he made the call.

     

    I liked him as a player.  I thought the Angels were crazy for signing him for as much as they paid him when he left the Twins, but I was wrong.  I was conflicted about him coming back, but I'm glad he did.

     

    I agreed with his position on gay marriage.  I disagreed with his "no gay teammate in the locker room" comment.  I disagreed with some of his comments on race.  None of that changed my opinion on him as a member of the Twins. 

     

    You're starting an extremely slippery slope if you're going to stop cheering for any athletes that have ever said anything you don't agree with. You may be best off just refraining from watching sports if that's the case.

    Mike already said this to you like an hour ago 'Isn't that what I said? I still rooted for him to do well on the Twins.....doesn't mean I have to like his opinions or him. I looked beyond them while he was on the field.'

     

    Obviously, he was rooting for Hunter and doesn't seem close to stopping the cheering for a player because he said something he didn't agree with.

     

    Torii received all of these standing ovations because he was a good baseball player. Nothing more than that. I doubt he has any cult following purely from his opinions off the field.

    It will be interesting to see how Torii will be viewed in a public light now that his playing days are behind him. The circumstances are different, but we've seen Curt Schilling go from a WS hero to a zero now that his opinions are the main focus...

    Oh man, Schilling, what a nut!

    I would think that Hunter would be smarter then Schilling to be honest. Best case scenario is that now that he is away from the game every day perhaps Hunter has some time to meet some gay couples, gay ballplayers and can grow as a person.

    Torii received all of these standing ovations because he was a good baseball player. Nothing more than that. I doubt he has any cult following purely from his opinions off the field.

    It will be interesting to see how Torii will be viewed in a public light now that his playing days are behind him. The circumstances are different, but we've seen Curt Schilling go from a WS hero to a zero now that his opinions are the main focus...

    I'd bet any amount of money the ovation he receives isn't any different because of this.

    You're starting an extremely slippery slope if you're going to stop cheering for any athletes that have ever said anything you don't agree with. You may be best off just refraining from watching sports if that's the case.

    Slippery slope....classic logical fallacy. That aside, I do watch less and less sports the more I realize I probably don't like some of the players as people (among many other reasons, but that is one).

     

    Again, there is a line, imo, in who I am willing to cheer for. I would never root for Hernandez, for example. I actively want Peterson off the Vikings, but I still am happy when he runs well, but I NEVER cheer for him, ever.

    Can we still enjoy Mel Gibson movies or Ted Nugent's music?  I think it's an interesting question raised about Torii.  I had a really hard time reading things and believing things that were written about Kirby.  When you are a lifelong fan, and you have favorites on your favorite team, you'd rather overlook or ignore the flaws in your favorite players.

     

    I think it is amazing progress that people generally are against Torii's religious condemnation of homosexuality.  Let's just not take it too far and condemn Torii for having an opinion most of us disagree with.

     

    I still have fond memories of Torii as a player.  As a Clemente Award nominee several times, it seems he must have done some really good things as well.

    I don't recall the last Mel Gibson movie I saw. Maybe I'm not thinking about it right, but hasn't his career pretty much tanked now? I think his behavior absolutely is a partial cause of that.

     

    I think it is partially an age thing, as I've gotten older, I don't overlook as much. Overlooking, imo, is part of why people keep doing bad things, we enable them (Peterson, Hardy, et. al.).

    "Hunter has said some things off the field that have really rubbed me the wrong way. And while I'm very much accustomed to setting aside the personal dispositions and quirks of professional athletes in order to enjoy them as performers, some of his outspoken remarks regarding gay marriage and homosexuality in general have been off-putting to me on a rather visceral level."
     

    On the field, Hunter was the consummate Pro (except when he picked up the ball he was just hit with and threw it back at the pitcher).  On the field, no one could say anything bad about Torii.  He came to play!

    Off the field, Hunter was outspoken.  Everyone loves that, right up to the point the outspoken person is asked about a subject important to you (the general public "you", not said author), and their views don't mesh with yours.  It doesn't make them necessarily wrong, it's just they disagree.  

    We have to remember, these are athletes with an outlet most people don't have (mainstream media), and if they're asked a tough question, and they answer it, we have to respect that answer, regardless of whether it's the answer we agree or disagree with.  Otherwise, we end up with a bunch of Joe Mauer/Crash Davis watered down cliches.  I'd much rather hear an opinion, even if it disagrees with mine.  At least it gives us something to talk about during 162 games, other than "We need relief pitchers".  

     

    That said, I couldn't agree more, that Torii came back to his roots for his final season, and performed much better than most could have hoped for.  I hope there's room in the organization for him!

    I love how you mods deleted my post calling out DaveW "bigot" comment.  This guy calls everyone that doesn't agree with him about Tori's views on gay marriage a bigot and gets away with it.  Pleaseee.....hypocrits 

    Sorry, but posts at this site accusing another poster of being a bigot just beg to be removed.

     

    I should add, discussion of TD policy and/or moderator actions belongs more properly in the About MinnCentric forum area, rather than further disrupt topical discussions.

     

    / you also essentially Godwin-ed yourself in the same post. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

    Slippery slope....classic logical fallacy. That aside, I do watch less and less sports the more I realize I probably don't like some of the players as people (among many other reasons, but that is one).Again, there is a line, imo, in who I am willing to cheer for. I would never root for Hernandez, for example. I actively want Peterson off the Vikings, but I still am happy when he runs well, but I NEVER cheer for him, ever.

     

    Well we'll agree to disagree then as I'll cheer for Peterson.

     

    Hernandez is terrible comparison because it wasn't publicly known that he had murdered multiple people when he was playing.

    Well we'll agree to disagree then as I'll cheer for Peterson. Hernandez is terrible comparison because it wasn't publicly known that he had murdered multiple people when he was playing.

    Would you root for Hernandez now? If not, welcome to the club of people that will draw a line.

    Would you root for Hernandez now? If not, welcome to the club of people that will draw a line.

    That's never going to be a decision that has to be made because I don't see the day where it'll ever be known publicly that an athlete murdered multiple people and is still playing.

     

    This whole thing is just ridiculous. Take a step back and realize that you're trying to compare a murderer to somebody who spoke out on a topic that you care deeply about and has a different opinion than you. That's crazy!




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